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Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?

taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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Hi folks. I value your opinions so thought I would post a question regarding a scenario I have for Labor Day weekend 2014.

 

I am a Marriott Platinum Member. I am taking my wife to Las Vegas from August 30th (Friday) through September 3rd (Wednesday) 2014. We have been to Vegas a few times and love it. I went there on a work trip last year and for part of my trip I stayed at the Cosmopolitan and for the other part, The Grand Chateau.

 

I assume that Labor Day weekend will be extremely busy in Las Vegas so I am torn on whether I should stay at the Cosmopolitan for the entire 5 nights or stay there just two nights and switch to the Grand Chateau.

 

The Cosmopolitan will cost me 180,000 points plus $75 a night for the one bedroom with balcony plus tax ($50 upgrade fee plus $25 resort fee). I normally save my points for some exotic resort area. The weekend rates in Vegas for Labor Day are all expensive and the rate for the one bedroom for that weekend is about $600 a night on the weenend (cheaper after Monday). Not sure if it is worth the 180,000 plus $420 it will cost me. I can stay at the Cosmopolitan for two nights, on the Friday and Saturday night for 90,000 points plus $168 cash and then switch to the Grand Chateau where I got a government rate of $92 a night (no resort fee) for Sunday - Wedneday.

 

As I said I have stayed in the Cosmopolitan before and if I am given an upgrade to a view of the fountains, it is a an incredible room and I would like my wife to experience that even if it is just for a couple of nights.

 

My delima and conerns:

- It will be an extremely busy weekend and to use 180,000 points plus $420 when there is a possibility we will not be able to really enjoy the Cosmopolitan (i.e. can't get a seat by the pool, long lines in the restuarants) it may not be worth it. The room would be great but really, how much time do you spend in the room?

- No guarantee that I will at least be upgraded to a view. I am not asking for an upgrade to a larger room, the one bedroom with balcony is fine but I have to have the view of the fountains. Checking in on Friday of a holiday weekend means I may not get the view and then it would deifnately not be worth it to me.

- By splitting the nights, two nights at the Cosmo, and three nights at the Chateau, I would earn some points and nights toward my status vs nothing from a 5 night stay at Cosmo. It woudl still cost me 90,000 points plus $168 but for a Friday and Saturday night on a long weekend, this seems worthwhile and I could not get the government rate (or a cheap rate) for those two nights at the Chateau anyway.

 

- On the other hand staying all 5 nights at Cosmo would at least give me the chance to enjoy less crowds for at least 1/2 day on Monday and all day Tuesday when everyone else checks out.

 

- the other decision is for an extra $50 a night (plus tax) with the points, I could reserve the Terrace Suite instead of the Terrace one bedroom. Not sure what the Terrace Suite is like but my undertstanding is that you are guaranteed a view of the fountains and it is a much larger room. However, I don't really need a larger room, just want a view. I don't think the Terrace Suite has the Japanese soaking tubs though and I thought my wife would love that so not sure it is worth paying the little extra. On the one hand it would guarantee me the view but no Japanese tub.

 

Really would appreciate your comments and advice. Do you think I should just stay at Cosmo for all five nights and use 180,000 points plus $420 or do you think I should just stay there Friday and Saturday for 90,000 points plus $168 and then move to the Chateau?

Should I reserve the Terrace Suite for the extra $56 a night or just stick to the Terrace one bedroom and pray they give me the upgrade to a nice view?

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  • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
    erc Platinum
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    Wow, that's some wild and crazy stuff there taxman.  I normally wouldn't dive into this because of not knowing all of your options (like AAA or not for example) and all of the various parameters and permutations, but the Nats are winning won, and I'm feeling 'lucky', so I'll tee it off for others to join in and mop up and hopefully we can provide you some worthwhile insights.

     

    1) I hold those 90k/180k points dear (since I earn 'em and burn 'em, I don't carry large inventories)

    2) Friday is August 29th - so all of my calculations are a five night 8/29-9/3 reservation

    3) Your intuition is correct, the back end of the stay is cheaper at both properties, thus speaking of weaker demand, meaning, smaller crowds, better time at the Cosmo

    4) I'm working on the belief that the fountain view is the key deciding factor - when I have a key deciding factor, I don't leave it up to chance of an upgrade (regardless of how charming a guy I am )

    5) I am extremely envious of your gov't rates - wow - 1 BR Chateau villa for $92

    6) Sorry - out of habit, I used AAA rates, I hope you can - but if not, you can still hopefully use some of my thoughts

    7) This is an example of one of erc's infamous pricing quirks of the Marriott Matrix Pricing Grid - when you check AAA rates at both properties a from rate comes up that you cannot find until you actually sign in and act like you're booking the room (or as I did, call Plat line and go night by night, property by property, room type by room type).

     

    Ok with that warmup as detailed as your dilemma and concerns - here goes (remember, this is to 'tee it up')

     

    Cosmopolitan AAA Rates for a (plus resort fee)

      Terrace One Bdrm, Guest room, 1 King, Fountain view, Balcony

    Friday/Sat $515  Sunday $338    Monday $208    Tuesday $224  (I checked, rates hold if only M and T)

     

    Chateau  AAA rate - One Bedroom Villa

    Friday/Saturday $170  use your Govt Rate of $92 for Sunday (if not going $338 Cosmo)

     

    If it was me and I wanted to absolutely, positively put the Mrs. in a fountain view room, I'd book Chateau the first two or three nights and pay cash for the last two or three nights at Cosmo.  BTW - Non AAA at Chateau is $189 and I don't know the non AAA rates for the Cosmo slower nights because of the pricing quirk and it was the top of the eighth when I began this novel and now the game's over, so I ain't calling back!

     

    Summary - those back end Cosmo rates which guarantee exactly what you want for your wife look too attractive to me to pass up.  Ok, dive in Insiders. Good luck taxman (is that gov't rate courtesy of the IRS ? if so, give my love to Lois and I haven't even consumed mass quantities tonight, it's Nationals victory giddiness).

     

    Either way, have a great time.

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    • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
      californian Platinum 37 Reviews
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      I think like Erc on this.  However, I do think of the move as well.  I don't even like to change rooms much less, hotels.  I have stayed at the Chateau and what I liked about it is the quiet.  I can leave all the noise and retreat for the night.  If you do want a special room at a busy time, I would not count on an upgrade.  If I really want it, I pay for it.

       

      If you do decide to change rooms, the timeshares usually not ready before 4pm but hotels often are.  So better Chateau first.

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    • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
      taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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      Wow.. excellent response erc !!!!

       

      First, yes the government rate is very nice when you can get it. I travel a lot for work and can't always get my first choice of Marriott's because they don't offer the rate. On vacation, I can use the Government rate when availalable.

       

      Second, I certianly do have AAA and did look at those rates. I did look at going to Chateau for the first two nights and then switching to Cosmo when it is less crowded. As you can see, the price difference at Chateau is almost double from the government rate(can't get the government rate on the weekend at Chateau).

       

      One thing I don't think was added in your totals is the resort fee (and of course taxes). So if I stayed at Chateau Friday and Saturday at $170 a night plus tax and then moved to Cosmo which wiith resport fees and taxes would be $946 for the three nights I would be looking at $1326 for the five nights. Beleive me, I don't mind spending money but this seems excessive when I can work out other options for much cheaper. I agree this would guarantee the fountain view room (and on less crowded nights at Cosmo) which is very important to me but I am hoping they would upgrade me anyway to at least a view.

       

      Sooooooo... let's see. Five nights on points plus upgrade fee at Cosmo would be 180,000 points plus $420 all in for one bedroom at Cosmo with the hope that they upgrade me to view with my Platinum status. Or the first two nights at Cosmo (Friday and Saturday) for points plus = 90,000 points plus $168 and then Chateau at government rate for three nights $309 total and earn points plus nights toward elite status???

       

      Or Friday, Saturday and Sunday at Chateau at higher rate ( Government rate not available) but I can get the AAA rate at about $140 for the three nights and Cosmo for points (or pay ) for two nights ( either 90,000 points plus $168 or $540 to pay for fountain view one bedroom). Paying full price at both = $1010.

       

      Decisions .. decisions ... I agree that changing hotels is not my favorite thing to do. You lose precious vacation time by the pool.

       

      Just can't seem to reconcile whether or not 180,000 points is worth the Cosmo when I know I can get the cheap government rate across the street for at least three of the nights. Like you, I value my points and usually use them in some tropical paradice. On the other hand, we already have our Aruba November trip scheduled without the use of points so do I really need to save my points....hmmmmm.... did want to go to Italy or St. Thomas next year and the points would come in handy.

       

      This is why I pull my hair out and need a vacation. Probably over thinking this to much (imagine that from a CPA). I just hate the thought of using 180,000 points and finding out I am not upgraded to a view and the place is so crowded that I can't enjoy Cosmo.

       

      For what it is worth, I have stayed at both places and like both. Last time I stayed at Chateau they were still working on the third tower. The draw back of Chateau was the TINY pool but now they have two pools and probably less crowded so could be a good experience for the wiffyyyyy especially since she would get to see both places. Of course I would be missing out on the less crowded days at Cosmo if I move.

       

      californian I did think about that. Last time I was at Chateau they got me a room at 10am but youur right, not sure about that weekend so I may not get a room until 4pm. But ...... I think that would be okay since we are coming from Cosmo I would just hang by the pool at Cosmo on Sunday until my room is ready at Chateau. Bascially taking advantage of an extra dat at Cosmo.

       

      5 nights at one hotel, the Cosmo is very appealing. Not having to move and enjoying the less crowded days there would be great but is it really worth 180,000 plus $420 and no earning nights or points?

       

      Geezeee .I have a headache now. One more bit of info. I have a little over 300,000 points right now (used a lot last year) so it is not like I have a gazillion (sp?) points to spare.

       

      Keep the opinions coming. This really does help.

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      • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
        erc Platinum
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        Headache? You betcha, I'm sure we've lost any normal Insider by this point !

         

        I couldn't keep up (well, ok, I admit it; I didn't want to keep up) and had a brain freeze traveling through your Dante's Inferno of price considerations (you accounting guys; paralysis by analysis - sometimes you know too much).

         

        Here's my thoughts for use as consideration for your own personal hell - not for financial calculations or with any attempt to persuade you one way or another;

         

        180,000 points - Is five nights at a Category 9 property - top of the heap

         

        In hopes of drawing back some Insiders - here's a valuable link (Insiders that are still with us - take note )

        https://www.marriott.com/rewards/pointsGridPopUp.mi?awardType=Standard

        Scroll to Category 9 and click the blue Find box;

        when you look at those properties (like London County Hall for example) it's easy to see a savings of $600 per night in total rate plus tax or  a $3,000 value (so in accounting/finance lingo, consider opportunity cost)

         

        As I wrote, I don't know all of the parameters (future travel plans, point earn rate etc) so in no way am I making an argument either way - BUT look at tef's experience below and ask yourself, "What if I don't get the fountain view?"

        Like Dirty Harry asked, "do you feel lucky" (I'll leave out the punk).It's of course your call.

         

        The Bloom is off the Rose

         

        One final note - if necessary (altho again as a points hoarder, I'd pay $170 for 40k points) reduce your Chateau cost by going 40k points for Friday/$170 for Saturday/ and $92 for Sunday  (and having the Plat line group it as one reservation, as in no room change).

         

        Ok, the cost of you engaging me is that you have to endure another erc's pricing quirks rant.

         

        The Chateau (as many MVCs are doing now) is a Category 7 - but you can't get any room - for 35k points, you must use an upgrade certificate for a total of 40k, which is fine, but why not just call it a Category 8?!!

        Pingreeman - there's your guaranteed upgrade with points! Ok, enough editorializing - go man, go. Good luck.

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        • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
          erc Platinum
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          Hey taxman  I re-read my post above after a coffee (or was it a Valium ) and it does appear like I'm trying to persuade you in one direction, which I'm not; so I'm going to add that I'm sure if you did the original 180k and $420 you guys would have a marvelous time (and shame on you if you don't!).

           

          So whichever way you go, I'm pulling for you and hope you have a terrific time.  The end.

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          • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
            taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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            No worries. I am looking for you (and others) to persuade me. So your saying you would do the five nights at Cosmo for 180,000 points plus $420 vs two nights at Cosmo for 90,000 points plus $168 and move to Chateau for three nights at $92?

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        • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
          taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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          Sorry I lost you and other members, or at least the "normal" ones. I figured there has to be at least one more obsessed Marriott points person out there (thus ..not normal). As we like to call it in my office, Marriott point whores.

           

          I do appreciate your comments. I wont bore you with my crazy number analysis after reading your suggesitons but you brought up some good points so I will sit and wade through the analysis on my own.

          Good poiint on the Chateau Fri-Mon option altough I agree that I probably would pay the $170 to save the 40,000 pts.

           

          Vegas is like no other place in that you can't really compare a category 9 and say it's worth the points in Vegas because there are always cheaper rooms to be found. You are absolutely right though, category 9 hotels in other areas is a much better use of my points, hence my dilemma.

           

          Thanks for the advice

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  • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
    vaboywnder Alumni Steward Platinum 21 Reviews
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    taxman193,

     

    Personally I think I would save my points and book the Govt Rate at the Grand Chateau.  I absolutely love the Cosmo but its not worth using that many points for.  As you know the Chateau is in walking distance to the Cosmo so you still make use of the Cosmo's restaurants and casino if you like.  The $92 rate with no resort fee is a steal for the Grand Chateau and the property is really nice now since the remodel.  I think the 3rd tower is also open now as well.  If you have AAA you could also book one night at the Cosmo at the end of the stay where rates start at $128.  Book the basic room and more than likely you can get an upgraded room since your Platinum.

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    • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
      californian Platinum 37 Reviews
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      I think whether to use points or not depends on how many you have and how easy it is to get more.  I am not getting that many and so tend to hoard them and try to use them when I get a better value.  To me, the value is not there but if you get lots of them and just want to save money, I still don't see it because you still have to spend money too.  I like vaboywnder suggestion.  Chateau first and then 1 night at Cosmo and have a better chance for an upgrade.

       

      This brings a  question:  if you don't get the upgrade, could you just pay the difference at that time?

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    • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
      taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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      vaboywnder

      Thanks and I am tending to agree with you, not the best use of points. It's a little more complicated. I wish I could do what you suggested and stay at Chateau for the Fri-Mon (or Tuesday) and just do one night at Cosmo. However, the government rate is not available at Chareau on Friday and Saturday night. The rates (AAA) rates are actually $170 for Frirday and $188 for Sunday. I do like the Chateau but is it really worth that much vs Cosmo for the first two nights using points (becuase the room rate at Cosmo for the weekend is crazy) of 90,000 plus $168?

       

      It would be a no brainer for me if I could get the $92 rate the first part of the trip at Chateau but that is not an option. I can only get the $92 Government rate Sun-Wed. Good to know you said Chateau is even nicer since the remodel.

       

      So I am back to either all five nights at Cosmo for 180,000 plus $420 which is hard to stomach or first two nights at Cosmo for 90,000 points plus $168 and moving to Chateau. As you guys know, the one redeming value of using points for a 5 night stay is you get the one night free.

       

      californian I have a little over 300,000 points right now. To show you how crazy I am , I calculated an estiamte of how many points I will earn for the rest of the year in the hope that this would help in my decision. I estimate maybe 70,000 points not including extra Marriott Visa points. Good question on the upgrade. Not sure. If it wasn't the holiday weekend I would say it should be no problem to either get upgraded for free or pay at check-in but with the holiday weekend, who knows.

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      • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
        vaboywnder Alumni Steward Platinum 21 Reviews
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        taxman193,

         

        Here's another idea.  Use points for the the first and/or second night at the Chateau (cat 7).  Take advantage of the Govt rate Sun-Tues at the Chateau.  Then Pay for the last night at the Comso when rates are cheaper and upgrades are more likely.

         

        Some food for thought.

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        • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
          taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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          vaboywnder You would think this would be easier. Here is the problem with that suggestion... Good old Vegas. I can't use points at Chateau for Saturday. Only Friday night at Chateau is available with points (40,000). So I would have to use 40,000 points for Friday and you can't just book Saturday night at Chateau at any rate (not available) sooo you would have to pay for Chateau for Friday and Saturday night (can't use points) at the higher rate.

           

          Who's up for a challenge !!!

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          • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
            erc Platinum
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            Oh man, you're sucking me back in (with that "Who's up for a challenge").

             

            Book AAA Friday 8/29 and Saturday 8/30

            $152 hotel room Friday goes to $170 Saturday (guest room - still a roomy 435 sq. ft) or

            $170 1 BR Villa Friday goes to $188 Saturday - a spacious 820 sq. ft

             

            Book Govt Sunday night $92 (use same room size as selected above, both are $92) Govt Rate

             

            Take your chances on A) not having to change rooms (I'm 5 for 5) and B) possibly getting a view of The Strip

             

            Hang at Cosmo during weekend to whatever level interests you, then check in at $208 and $224 rate (plus, resort fee; don't get me started on waiving that!)

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            • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
              taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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              erc I don't even know you and I knew that challenge comment would suck you back in

               

              Okay, so I have thought of this but let me see.... First, I can't do the regular guest room at Chateau .. I am no prude but I have stayed in these types of rooms before at Vacation resorts and just not worth it. I would rather pay the higher amount for the one bedroom.

               

              So $170 + $188 + 92 plus tax = $504 for the  three nights at Chateau plus $540 all in (tax and resort fee) at Cosmo for the two nights. Total for the five nights $1044 and I still have to switch. Definitely thinking about this option.

               

              Here is my over analyzing mind in play again. With this option because we have an early morning flight out on Wednesday has some draw backs in my mind. Checking into Cosmo on Monday will be zoo when everyone else is checking out. If I can't check in early, Monday becomes a waste in using the amenities (i.e. pool) and because we are leaving early on Wednesday that leaves only Tuesday to enjoy the pool and other aspects of Cosmo. On the other hand, with a Friday and Saturday night stay at Cosmo (but would have to use my points) I think I have a good chance of checking in early on Friday because we arrive at 9:30am and they should still have empty rooms. With a Sunday check-out I could ask for a late check-out and/or store the luggage and use the pool etc.. on Sunday for a good part of the day at Cosmo. So with this option I get 1/2 day Friday, all day Saturday and 1/2 day Sunday vs just a Tuesday.

               

              I know. .I know .. I need help. Anyone know a good psychologist? 

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            • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
              erc Platinum
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              Ok, you twisted my arm and as vaboy and others start throwing out properties all over the strip (how about KOA ).

              They will tell you on the phone (as they just did) that they will waive the resort fee which provides for four things (two you get as Plat anyway), so you have that option.

              1) Wi Fi

              2) phone calls

              3) Fitness Center

              4) Tennis courts

               

              Good luck

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              • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
                taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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                erc Come on really? They waive the resort fees? I have stayed there before and paid the resort fees. Are you saying they waive it whether on points or pay? How did I not know this !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your sure (not that I would doubt you). That may change everything.

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                • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
                  erc Platinum
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                  I would be the first to tell you;

                  "protect yourself at all times" - Hall of Fame Boxing Referee Mills Lane

                  "trust but verify" - President Ronald Reagan

                   

                  I just called and two different hotel personnel from reservations (meaning not an operator) said that they would waive the resort fee for Platinum (I've been fortunate enough to have done this several other times - haven't stayed at Cosmo).

                   

                  I would call Cosmo, get that same verbal commitment rolled into your reservation (it's actually $28 - $25 fee and $3 tax sheesh), if not, I too would be wary of a verbal.

                   

                  I would also talk to them at that time about your transfer from Chateau and how "you know, they kick you out bright and early over there at those Vacation Clubs etc etc" and discuss how they can help you with an early check in, if not in your room, then at least a changing area for the days activities and a holding area for your bags. Granted, you accounting guys are at a disadvantage in the 'schmooze' department, but you can do it (said Townie to Bobby Bouchard Jr.) use the same self confidence you use in describing a tax rollover .

                   

                  Make your wife happy and please all of us Insiders vicariously through your excellent adventure. Go man Go!

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          • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
            vaboywnder Alumni Steward Platinum 21 Reviews
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            taxman193,

             

            Have you tried calling the Platinum Reservations Line?  They are often able to work miracles for me when I'm trying to use points for one night and govt rate for another night and all in one reservation.

             

            Something else you could consider is starting your stay at the Renaissance which offers the Govt Rate for every night of your stay and then switching to the Cosmo at the end if you like.  I've not stayed at the Renaissance but hear its a nice property.

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            • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
              taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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              vaboywnder I just checked Renaissance and noticed they do have the government rate for the whole time. So I could stay there Friday - Monday and then check in Cosmo (but see my comments above about utilizing Cosmo amenities). Very tempting.

               

              Never stayed that far from the strip hotels. Renaissance is nice? Need to look at the pictures. Pain to get to the middle of the strip?

               

              Oh man... you had to mess up my perfect algorithm of options.

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              • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
                vaboywnder Alumni Steward Platinum 21 Reviews
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                taxman193,

                 

                I haven't stayed at the Renaissance but hear its a good hotel.  They do have the Las Vegas Monrail beside the hotel that can take you down to different parts of the strip.   Although I'm like you I would rather have the convenience of the Cosmo or Chateau.

                 

                It's your vacation so do what is best for you and your wife.  Let us know what you decide and how the trip goes.

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  • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
    bubbie Platinum 2 Reviews
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    I would do Chateau Friday, Saturday and Sunday for the govt rate of $92 If it us being offered over the weekend. That's a busy time and the prices are very high all over. Seems like you enjoy pool time, did you consider the JW for that weekend? I know it's off the strip but switching like that  you feel like 2 different vacations in one. Beware of the Cosmo pool during busy times. it was impossible for daughter to get a seat. Then when she went to get a bite for lunch security removed her belongings. She was gone less than an hour. I would definitely do Cosmo for Monday and Tuesday night. The rates are down as well as occupancy. Check out AAA rates or if you're lucky LNF.

    Since it's slow you stand a good chance of an upgrade.  Personally, Vegas has many, many different options that i wouldn't waste my points.

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    • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
      taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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      bubbie I wish the Chateau government rate was available on the weekend, but it isn't. Best rates are AAA at $170 for Friday and $188 for Saturday at Chateau. I do like pool time and did consider the JW. I do want to stay there sometime but for this trip, we want to be closer to the stripe plus I think the rates are very hgih that weekend at JW.

       

      That is exactly what I am afraid of with the Cosmo pool on that weekend. To crowded to enjoy which is why I was trying to figure out if it would be better to stay there at the end of trip but I am back to the weekend rates at Chateau then which I am not sure is worth it.

       

      Ohhhh the humanity !! And some people have real problems ..lol

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      • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
        bubbie Platinum 2 Reviews
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        Last year we did our weekend stay at the renaissance. It was very nice  We got an upgrade to a suite. Then of course we moved over to the Cosmo with the lower week day rates.

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        • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
          taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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          bubbie You know, I need to check Renaissance. I didn't really consider a hotel near the convention center. Hmmm. that could be an option depending on the rates. It would be a little father then I would want to be but maybe...Let me look at that.

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          • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
            bubbie Platinum 2 Reviews
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            To complicate things even more for you, being platinum you get free breakfast in the restaurant At the Renaissance Over the weekend. It was very good. They gave us a voucher which included gratuities. They don't have a buffet so you order off the menu. Unless things changed since November.

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      • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
        californian Platinum 37 Reviews
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        Decisions!  Decisions! Enough to drive one crazy.  Last time through, I stayed at the Marriott by the convention center.  I was upgraded to a full suite without asking.  I had a free breakfast in the restaurant.  I had a great rate of under $100.  A little off the strip but still walkable.

         

        I would not use my points in Vegas.  You don't have that many and will probably find another place that you can use them for a better value.  If you take points out of the mix, the decision might be easier.

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        • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
          taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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          californian @ bubbie just suggested that too. I did not consider that so I am going to look at the rates near the convention center now. Which hotel did you stay at?

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          • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
            californian Platinum 37 Reviews
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            Las Vegas Marriott 325 Convention Center Drive.  Available at gov rate of $92 for all nights.

             

            I don't remember the reason but I had checked the Ren as well for my stay and for some reason decided on the Marriott.  I was treated very well as well as upgraded to a suite without asking.  The hotel is older but nice.  The food was good.  I was pleased.

             

            I can see that you would prefer the Cosmo but your practical side is questioning.  I am curious as to your decision.

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            • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
              taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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              I am curious about my decision too...lol.

              Looking it over now. Reading some reviews of the Renaissance and Marriott. I can get either. Just not sure I want ot be that far from the main parts of the Strip. Reviews are not that great (better for the Marriott but small pool). This is still an option. I am thinking Friday and Saturday at one of these at Gov rate, then use points for just one night, Sunday at Cosmo and then pay at Cosmo for Monday and Tuesday when it is cheaper. Looking it all over as well as some other, non-Marriott hotels. I wish the Chateau was available at the Gov rate for Friday and Saturday but it may be worth paying the extra at Chateau ( for location) for those two nights and switching to Cosmo.

               

              Will let you know final decision.

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              • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
                californian Platinum 37 Reviews
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                It looks like you are getting closer.  As I am sure you know, there can be cancellations and you could grab one if it does happen.  I do like the Chateau too and the location is good.  However if you would just be staying 2 nights, 1 day, you could go to the Cosmo early and use the facilities for the day before the room would be ready or if really lucky, the room might be ready in the morning.  It might be worth the saving

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              • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
                bubbie Platinum 2 Reviews
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                I stayed at the Renaissance instead of the Marriott because I was able to get an LNF rate. As far as I know all the rooms at the Marriott are suites. They have recently been refurbished  with platinum you get breakfast. The Renaissance was very nice and we enjoyed our stay hence we are going back. If  you stay at the Renaissance and you have a car you can free valet park at any of the strip hotels and walk from there. Otherwise it's a short walk toward the northern end where you have Wynn and Palazzo.

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      • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
        vaboywnder Alumni Steward Platinum 21 Reviews
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        taxman193,

         

        I'm not sure if you have ever been to the JW before or not and know what to expect.  I found a great rate in March this year and decided to give it a try.  I was so disappointed in the property that I changed hotels after one night and moved to the Grand Chateau.  The hotel rooms at the JW are in major need of renovation.  The HVAC in my room would not cool down below 75F.  Instead of a refrigerator the room had a cooler.  Food at the hotel is really expensive.  I paid almost $50 for two breakfast buffets.  Also the hotel is in a remote location with nothing else around and getting to the strip will take you about 20 minutes.  While the grounds and pool area are nice it wasn't worth it to me.

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        • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
          taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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          vaboywnder Thanks for that information. I will not even consider that then. I did want to try that hotel someday but based on your comments, I think I will pass. Good information.

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          • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
            bubbie Platinum 2 Reviews
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            Sorry to hear that too as I have mine booked for November. Saturday is the renaissance, Sunday is the JW and then off to the Cosmo. I'm hoping for the mega bonus to be certificates.  I never stay on the strip over a weekend as I hate paying those inflated rates. We usually relax over the weekend at an off strip hotel and then it's off to the strip.  I know we are on the Marriott forum, but have you considered other options for the weekend?  There are some good deals out there.

            Save those points for that Caribbean vacation in the winter. For those points you can go to St Thomas. We used ours at the JW in Costa Rica and Scrub Island. The rates were more than $400 a night. Much better value!  Saving up again for Costa Rica or maybe the Caymans. Unfortunately we don't travel for business so it takes awhile for us to collect points.

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        • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
          californian Platinum 37 Reviews
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          This is valuable info.  I considered the JW too but decided not to because of distance from the strip.  I am glad that I didn't.

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          • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
            sticks112 Platinum 11 Reviews
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            Great info.  The JW is very nice but the Cosmo is kind of overrated.  I think the Renaissance is actually a hidden gem in Vegas.  Best rooms as well and a phenomenal place to eat there (Envy).

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            • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
              bubbie Platinum 2 Reviews
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              I agree. The room at the renaissance was very nice. The staff was extraordinary and breakfast was delicious. We enjoyed so much we booked again this year. it was too cold for the pool but it was a nice area and if  not mistaken, I think there were cushions on the chairs. Big plus in my book.

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  • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
    taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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    Okay folks ,,for those of you still paying attention and care ( seriously doubt anyone cares..) My final decision:

    I kept searching for a little cheaper rate at Cosmo for the Sunday - Wednesday portion of the trip and found a special that was not visible on the Marriott or Cosmo site. I first had to find this and then you could only book it by going directly on the Cosmo site vs Marriott. I booked it but was concerned that my Platinum number was not tied to the reservation and I wanted the chance for the upgrade to the view. After many back and forth e-mails and phone calls to Marriott and Cosmo, I finally found someone who could help at the Marriott Platinum reservation line. She was able to make a new reservation with the same rate on the Marriott site and I canceled the other reservation made directly through Cosmo.

     

    Now for Friday and Saturday I debated whether to use points at Cosmo so I would not have to switch hotels or to go the Renaissance. I decided not to go to the Renaissance and not to use points and instead booked the Rio at a reasonable rate. I know this is a little off strip but I like the look of the pools and for the cost, couldn't pass it up.

     

    So Friday and Saturday at Rio, Sunday - Wednesday to Cosmo and no use of points.

     

    Now, erc says the resort fees can be waived for Marriott Platinum but I really doubt this. I know they will waive it for Identity Platinum members but I don't think so for Marriott Platinum members. I would love to know if anyone has had success in getting the resort fees waived at Cosmo or any other resort for just being a Marriott Platinum member and if so, how? I am not doubting you erc just would like to learn how you did this.

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    • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
      bubbie Platinum 2 Reviews
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      I Sent you a message. hopefully you got it as I'm not really sure I did it right.

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    • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
      vaboywnder Alumni Steward Platinum 21 Reviews
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      taxman193,

       

      Thanks for letting us know.  I've been curious as to what you would decide.  I think you are wise to stay at the Cosmo at the end of the stay.  I am a bit surprised that you chose the Rio.  Have you stayed there before?   I've only stayed at the Cosmo once since they implemented the resort fee and had to pay it even though I was a platinum member.

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      • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
        taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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        No, I never stated at the RIO and I am surprised too !!! The rates are high at all hotels for a Friday and Saturday night during Labor Day weekend. I at least wanted something with a decent pool and the Renaissance did not look like much fun. The rates at the other hotels did not seem worth it and it seems like it would be better to end the trip at the Cosmo rather than start the week out there and downgrade.

        I am going to keep checking the Chateau rates and if they come down for Friday and Saturday I would go for that.

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    • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
      erc Platinum
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      No problem. As I wrote in my response July 26 at 1:49 (bold emphasis added)

       

       

       

      "I would be the first to tell you;

       

      "protect yourself at all times" - Hall of Fame Boxing Referee Mills Lane

      "trust but verify" - President Ronald Reagan

       

      I just called and two different hotel personnel from reservations (meaning not an operator) said that they would waive the resort fee for Platinum (I've been fortunate enough to have done this several other times - haven't stayed at Cosmo).  "


      Good luck, but my belief is no matter what anyone tells you; it doesn't matter, unless you call and try it yourself.

       

      That's how I did it at San Juan Marriott, Renaissance, and Waikiki. (I don't stay at many resorts due to their lack of Platinum benefits - breakfast and CL for example). They didn't call me at home and say "hey Mr. Erc, you're a Platinum, so we waived the resort fee".

       

      Summary: I'm not guaranteeing that Cosmo would do it (I trust little that reps say over the phone), but I'm guaranteeing they won't do it if you don't ask. I think you just drop it and go enjoy yourself, you're tying yourself (and me) into knots.

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      • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
        taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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        erc Apprecaite the advice. I am actually out of town and just getting around to reading your response. I will try calling the reservation line but.....

        1) Did you call the hotel's reservation line or Marriott's ?

        2) I am wondering if they got confused. When you tell them you are "Platinum" there is Cosmo's own program called Identity ( casino rewards ) and people that are Platinum on their Identity rewards do have the resort fees waived but my understanding is that for Marriott Platinum they do not. I am going to call can try but I am thinking when you told them you were Platinum they assumed Identity Platinum.

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        • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
          erc Platinum
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          I called the Cosmopolitan (1-702-698-7000), spoke to an operator who forwarded me to Reservations. The first person I spoke to in reservations, I asked, "Will you waive the Resort fee for a Marriott Platinum since I already receive internet and don't plan on using the phone, fitness center, or tennis courts?"  She responded yes, I said (politely and friendly) are you sure, because that's more money for the tables for me. She said yes I'm sure, but hold on, and then (and I could hear here) asked a person next to her who responded, "absolutely".

           

          Now, I don't rule out your scenario of them being confused/disinterested/wrong. So don't yell at me if it doesn't work out for you .  If you get a yes, then I would ask them to put it (as I did with my Puerto Rico waivers) on your reservation and e-mail it to you. If you get a yes, and they give you some baloney essentially saying "trust me" then I would politely say (but granted this is me, the skeptic), "well I'll quote you on that, what's your name?" AND I would call back and ask for that name (granted, perhaps moving me from skeptic to cynic - but oh well). If she answers I'd say hello and thank her for her help, if she doesn't answer, I'd still ask for the waiver at check in telling your story, but I'd be thinking about one less fancy dinner moving over to a buffet http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/buffets.cfm

           

          Good luck taxman, and remember, no matter what, enjoy, you could be going through an audit instead!

          "Hey listen to this guys, some knucklehead wants to know if we waive the resort fee!"

          "Aah, just tell him yes, I get the biggest kick out of watching them at check out"

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  • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
    taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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    What about the pool at the Renaissance? Looks very small? Is there a bar at the pool there? Have either of you stayed at the Marriott vs Renaissance? Difficulty in catching the monorail to the strip?

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    • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
      bubbie Platinum 2 Reviews
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      Have not taken the monorail so don't know. You can call hotel and see if they have a shuttle to the strip. The Renaissance is across the street from the Wynn golf course. It is a couple of very long blocks from the strip that is walkable.   Once on the strip you have Wynn, Palazzo, treasure Island and the Fashion Mall on the corners.

       

      THe the pool is not a tremendous resort size.  But it is not overcrowded with chairs that you are sitting in each other's laps.  I remember that they also had umbrellas. Have not stayed at Marriott and am not sure of exact location. The rooms there were recently renovated and are all suites.

       

      Have you considered renting a car?  Check the rates as they fluctuate daily. It might be worth it to you and you have lots of flex ability. As we say everything is at most 15-20 minutes away. All hotels have free valet as well as self parking. You just take the roads that run parallel to the strip. Never take strip as too much traffic. you will have more flex ability to explore the locals area as well as the downtown. 

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      • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
        jerryl Platinum 2 Reviews
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        will be staying at the Cosmo in January . I am a platinum lifetime. What do they now offer platinum's? the last time I was there they did give me a voucher to wicket spoon but understand they now don't .

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        • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
          bubbie Platinum 2 Reviews
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          As far as I know, upgrade if available Is the only thing. I'm going in November so I'm interested also.

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          • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
            taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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            I will be there this week but you are correct, they no longer provide the free buffet and they do not have a concierge lounge. So basically the only platinum benefit is that you can check in the exclusive autograph area instead of the main check-in desk and you will receive one level upgrade if available. So far, I have been upgraded one level each time usually to just a better view. I reserve the one bedroom and receive a one bedroom with a view of the fountains. I am hoping I receive that same view this time but it is a busy holiday weekend so we will see.

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  • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
    bubbie Platinum 2 Reviews
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    So how was the trip? 

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    • Re: Las Vegas The Cosmopolitan worth the points or Grand Chateau?
      taxman193 Platinum 11 Reviews
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      bubbie it was GREAT ! Worked out perfectly. I ended up staying at the Marriott Grand Chateau the first two nights and then switching to the Cosmo on Sunday. I was nervous about switching on Sunday but the Cosmo was absolutely great about it. I went there about 11:30am on Sunday and they found a room for me. Checked in the Autograph Lounge which was great. They provided me a GREAT room with a perfect view of the fountains. I reserved a one bedroom terrace without view and despite it being a very busy Labor Day weekend they upgraded me to the same room type but with an awesome view of the fountains in the East tower. I was very happy and we loved the room. So checked in early and upgraded to a view. Other than that, there are no benefits for a Platinum member which I knew. I posted a review of the Cosmo. The room, hotel and food was just great. Love that place. The pools were busy on Sunday and Monday but we still had no problem finding chairs and hanging out in the pool. On Tuesday it was much less crowded. The prices are high but I expected that and we managed to sneak in some refreshments to curb the drink cost at the pool. It was a great trip and I highly recommend the Cosmo. The Chateau is also very nice in a great location (see my review) but was disappointed in the size of the new pool but still, I would go there again and actually will be staying there again in December.

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