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Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium

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I have gained significant value in reading the thoughts of; psudad profchiara pluto77 fschumpert newhiltonmembr razorbackfan zukracer and jerrycoin and several others . brightlybob please jump in also, you've probably worked the halls of NATO or the Hague and any others please join in as well. If it motivates you to help, feel free to mock my ignorance/laziness.

 

Striking while the iron is hot (coming off the terrific answers to the Paris airport transfer question), I would greatly appreciate it if you would please provide your collective expertise and help me solve my ground transportation issues for my soon to be scheduled trip to Brussels, Ghent, and Amsterdam with day trips to Bruges and Paris. I don't book until next month, but my getting around capabilities may alter the lodging strategy. I'm pretty much going to use EuroRail for getting between cities (but advise otherwise if necessary);

Brussels to Amsterdam - one way about two hours $98-$101

Amsterdam to Ghent (via Antwerp) -one way about two hours $98-$113

Ghent to Bruges - roundtrip - 23 minutes $14 each way

Ghent to Paris - roundtrip (via Brussels) about two hours $95 - $129 each way ( $95 cheaper than most Brussels to Paris!)

Ghent to Brussels - one way 30 minutes $20


I'm open to any and all suggestions/revisions. I'm going with tickets vs. Railpass, because I can't figure out the benefit of a Railpass and it costs more. I noticed train prices vary based on when in the year you travel, somewhat similar to airlines. Any thoughts on how far in advance (assuming pre-paid is the best way to secure seats - please advise otherwise) tickets should be purchased for optimal price?

 

 

Lodging Strategy based on superb Insider input; 

Night        Location

1 & 2      Brussels Marriott

3            Amsterdam Renaissance

4-10       Ghent Marriott

11          Brussels Courtyard


Local Transportation: Here's where I really need your help, between stumbling into sites in different languages, digging up the proximities of hotels, subways, airports, and different city train stations, my brain is fried and I'm to the point of just going down and robbing the local 7-11 and taking limos, jerrystyle. So please, help a brotha' out.  Any research you can save me from doing is greatly appreciated. Thank you.


1) Best way to get from Brussels airport to Marriott (taxi is about $70)

2) How do you get from the Marriott to the Brussels Midi Train Station?

3) How do you get from the Amsterdam Central Station to Renaissance?  .3 miles, we can walk, unless it's like Heathrow - Is it?

4) Ghent St. Peter's Station to Marriott has already been generously answered by psudad (hopefully the tram is as easy to find as he says it is)   

 

The trams are very easy in Ghent.  Following our arrival at St. Peter's station, we went outside the station and picked up the tram.  It takes you within a few blocks of the Marriott.  You get out at Korenmarkt (near the McDonalds), walk over the St. Michael's Bridge, take the stairs down on the right side, and walk along the canal to the Marriott.  We landed in Brussels and took an express train to St. Peters station in Ghent.  Took the tram in Ghent to and from St. Peters station and walked everywhere else.

 

5) Does anyone know how to get from Brussels midi train station to the Brussels Courtyard? The CY, besides being closer (3 miles) to the airport than the Marriott, with a shuttle (non-free), is only a Cat. 4 and has excellent reviews. The Brussels midi station is further west of the Marriott which is, as mentioned a $70 cab fare to airport, so I'm thinking subway. Has anyone dealt with the Jules Bordet train station? It's walking distance to the CY.


Thank you for your insights.

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Location Brand Hotel
Amsterdam, Netherlands Renaissance Hotels Renaissance Amsterdam Hotel
Paris, France Marriott Hotels & Resorts Paris Marriott Champs Elysees Hotel
Paris, France Renaissance Hotels Renaissance Paris Arc de Triomphe Hotel
  • 1. Re: Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium
    profchiara Alumni Steward Silver 3 Reviews
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    Hi erc,

    I suggest either a Europass (several countries) or one that includes France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg.  I forget what it is exactly because I haven't spent much time there lately, but it would definitely be better than individual tickets.  You buy at least 4 trips for a certain period and can add days and countries.

     

    Here's the link without France, though Europass could include it:

    Eurail Benelux Pass – Belgium, Netherlands & Luxembourg | Eurail.com

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  • 2. Re: Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium
    profchiara Alumni Steward Silver 3 Reviews
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    I meant 4 DAYS not trips.

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  • 3. Re: Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium
    erc Platinum
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    Thank you for kicking off the idea fest. I'm seeing a Benelux-France 10 day 2 person second class saver  for 732 euros or around $1100 (which is about a wash with the tickets). They also warn that reservations for France travel is limited (and of course, I need to make reservations for each trip - which is fine). Since I'm hanging out in Ghent stretching out my stay, the pass works best if I go to another city like Luxembourg. This is good hip pocket data, in case I get energetic, so I'm keeping it on the radar. I appreciate your input (i've already drawn a lot from your activity suggestions).

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  • 4. Re: Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium
    zukracer Alumni Steward Platinum 4 Reviews
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    I have been to Brussels a few times.  When I booked the Renaissance there, they actually put me into the Executive Apartments, which was pretty nice if you can get it .   We took a train into the city, was pretty easy.  There is a train station a block or 3 from the Ren (Gare Bruxelles-Luxembourg) and I think it was pretty cheap, maybe 10-15E.  You can also take this back over to the Nord station pretty easily as I recall.  If you have your heart set on the Marriott, I'm not sure how it differs, its not terribly farther away but I did really enjoy the Ren there.  It was a pretty easy walk into the city center, palace area and to the little dude havin a wiz

     

    In Amsterdam, pack light enough so you can easily carry/pull your bags and walk.  Its a long few blocks but I'm not even sure if a cab would take you unless you had a pile of stuff to carry, its that close.  I'd say its more like .75-1mi depending on track you arrive on but pretty easy.  Also I recall walking up/down stairs there to get to the train platform.  I'll admit I didn't spend a lot of time looking for a lift but it also wasn't a clear option on the platforms I was on.  Just make sure you validate your ticket for the trains. 

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  • 5. Re: Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium
    jerrycoin Alumni Steward Platinum 60 Reviews
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    Zuk,

     

    Hope you are doing well!

     

    Agree totally with you on the Ren. Amsterdam!

     

    Erc, just walk across the street from the train station and you are in a very good area!  You will enjoy your walks and canal  rides in Amsterdam!  When you get close to your trip, let us give you details on wonderful places in Amsterdam.

     

    Wish I could help with other places, but have not been to Brugge nor Ghent.  As far as the train, make sure you get seats, and not standing room.  The trains can be really full, and you will want to sit down. 

     

    Good luck!

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  • 6. Re: Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium
    erc Platinum
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    zukracer  and jerrycoin

     

    Thanks guys. That's good to know about the Amsterdam station, often the numbers in the Marriott site understate the distance, so I'm glad I verified it's walkable, we'll have light enough luggage to make it on foot (zuk was the one who correctly warned me to avoid the walk from Heathrow).

    I'll be sure to circle back when it comes time to plan worthwhile activities (especially advice on getting the most out of a day in Paris - like that hop on/hop off bus). And I agree about sitting on the train - that's part of the value, enjoying the scenery, rather than jostling about.

    zuk - when you say validate the train tickets, is that a step beyond a reservation? Thanks

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  • 7. Re: Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium
    jerrycoin Alumni Steward Platinum 60 Reviews
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    erc,

     

    Zuk was "Right on about Heathrow", for sure, but again, you will have no problem in Amsterdam!

     

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    This was a nice and inexpensive boat to take a "Canal tour", it was a lot of fun!

     

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    One of the entrances to The Renaissance.  It is in a wonderful location.

     

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    This was the best meal, for the price in Amsterdam!  Just a short walk from The Ren., The Madre Maria.  A three course meal, grilled over wood (The way IAHFLYR, likes it), for 12 Euros.  Now it may be more now, but they actually had a violin player performing for the guests.  It was wonderful for a relaxing meal.

     

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    The Madre Maria kitchen is small, but the wood grill, puts out some fine beef!

     

    Don't forget to visit Anne Frank's Home, it is most interesting!

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    The lines may be long, but they move very quickly!

     

    Enjoy!

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    Location Brand Hotel
    Amsterdam, Netherlands Renaissance Hotels Renaissance Amsterdam Hotel
  • 8. Re: Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium
    iahflyr Platinum 26 Reviews
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    Lovely pictures Jerry and any restaurant using wood to grill is certainly worth checking out even if I only use wood for the smoker!

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  • 9. Re: Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium
    erc Platinum
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    Thanks, good stuff, love those short walk great restaurants - Madre Maria is now on my list. After more and more reading, I'm actually considering switching from two nights Brussels and one Amsterdam to the other way around (and picking up Brussels on the backend either from the CY or the Marriott).

    Justin Bieber told me about the Anne Frank house, so now with two pop culture heroes recommending it - it's a go!

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  • 10. Re: Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium
    jerrycoin Alumni Steward Platinum 60 Reviews
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    erc,

     

    I don't want to make Madre Mario a "Haute Cuisine" place, but it was very good food at a reasonable price.  It was just a short walk from The Renaissance. 

     

    BTW, if you walk to Anne Frank's from the Renaissance, (It's a pretty walk), look for places like this.  The food and bakery products, even soft drinks are enjoyable.  You can sit on a park bench and watch the boats go by in the canals!

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    This was an outstanding place for a snack!  Between the hotel and Anne Frank's!

     

    Enjoy!

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  • 11. Re: Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium
    erc Platinum
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    jerrycoin

    Thanks for the update, that's useful info because I like to balance both financially and gastronimically the meals. Walking is what we do, so your input will prove valuable (and I will follow up about the canal boat rides).

     

    Now, with the Amsterdam question answered, I'm down to three ground transportation questions everyone (and the zukracer point about train ticket validation)


    1) Best way to get from Brussels airport to Marriott (taxi is about $70)?  (I don't see any Metro stop at the airport)

     

    2) How do you get from the Marriott to the Brussels Midi Train Station? (psudad did you ever do this?)

     

    and perhaps the toughest

    3) Does anyone know how to get from Brussels midi train station to the Brussels Courtyard? The CY, besides being closer (3 miles) to the airport than the Marriott, with a shuttle (non-free), is only a Cat. 4 and has excellent reviews. The Brussels midi station is further west of the Marriott which is, as mentioned a $70 cab fare to airport, so I'm thinking subway. Has anyone dealt with the Jules Bordet train station? It's walking distance to the CY.

     

    thanks folks, it takes a village to get erc out of the country !

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  • 12. Re: Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium
    pluto77 Alumni Steward Gold 25 Reviews
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    Erc,

    I thought that psudad gave you the good stuff on Belgium train travel in another post (which naturally I can't seem to find. )  I haven't been to Brussels or Ghent (dying to get to Ghent, after reading so many wonderful trip reports), only Bruges, but I would be happy to look into your questions 1-3 and 5  (which will also be useful for myself someday.)

     

    Perhaps you might also find these posts useful:

    http://www.rewards-insiders.marriott.com/thread/13674

    http://www.rewards-insiders.marriott.com/thread/10314

     

    Also, I don't think you need the eurail pass.  We've done it once (3 country something or other), and since then have done better with just purchasing tickets.

     

    I purchase my tickets in advance on www.voyages-sncf.com, www.trenitalia.com and bahn.com - your online travel booking tool for rail journeys, holidays, city trips and car rental, depending on the country of travel.  I must have a user id and password, because I receive ongoing emails regarding sales from both sncf and trenitalia.  The cool thing about online advance purchase is  1) the price is cheaper, and 2) you present the eticket (printed on the internet just like an Amtrak ticket) to the conductor on board the train.  No waiting in line at the train station or anxiety about sold out trains.

     

    Also, not only do the ticket prices vary by season, they can vary by day of week as well.  You'll find this out as you mess around on the ticketing website.

     

    One more thing, trains do go on strike from time to time in Europe.  It's good to have a back up plan, an alternate itinerary for how to spend your time or an alternate transportation plan (rental car) or bus tour (for your day trips).  Yes for sure bus tours in your case (Bruges and Paris).

     

    I'll work on this and regroup with you later.  Maybe while I am "training," you or someone else could tell me where the best place to sit at Fenway Park is - for an evening game - budget is < $150/seat.   Thanks.

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  • 13. Re: Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium
    erc Platinum
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    Thanks pluto - great stuff. Oh yeah, I've studied those links, terrific info, but I've pushed the activities to the back of my brain for now, but will be following many of the suggestions - that's exactly what I want to do; walk, sightsee, chocolate, waffle, beer, meals etc. I'll even be nice to people if they're interested, but if not, that's cool also, I just want to see stuff.

     

    Good stuff on train tickets thanks. Question three regarding Amsterdam Central Station seems to be, land there and walk. I'll communicate with the folks at the hotel when joshm passes on the names and see if they agree. Help on #1,2, and 5 would be greatly appreciated (at your convenience), thanks. Yes psudad got me from Ghent to Bruges and back and from Ghent train station to Marriott, so I'm ok there. It's the very first leg, from the Brussels airport to the Brussels Marriott (after a long flight) that I would like to go as smoothly and cost effectively as possible, and if after all the research, it turns out that a $70 taxi is the best deal, then so be it. I'll know it was the best option, I just don't want to spend $70 only to find out I could have easily maneuvered at $20 ground transportation plan.

     

    Red Sox tickets might surprise you with a variety of obtainable options. Here's a site a buddy had good luck with   Oakland Athletics at BostRed Sox Tickets at Fenway Park May 03 2014 - Available at TicketsNow   and of course there's StubHub etc also. But just like hotels, know your market and be ready to pull the trigger on good ones. Avoiding the Yankees goes a long way toward making your values go up (if you just want to see Fenway and a game, try some non-division mediocre teams like the Twins, Indians, or the Astros in August, they should be mathematically eliminated by then ). Good luck and thanks for chipping in on Europe.

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  • 14. Re: Train travel and ground transportation from and in Belgium
    pluto77 Alumni Steward Gold 25 Reviews
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    Alright,

    You came up with a bit of a stumper here Kemosabe (oh wait, that's me, nevermind. Or maybe it is you.  Depends on the translation.) ANYWAY, Here's the best that I can come up with so far, for BRU (BRU, right?) to the Brussels, Marriott.  Are you ready?  How much luggage will you have?  Your best bet so far as I can tell is to catch the bus from the airport, then an easy metro transfer, and then a short walk to the hotel.  Before you say, "we don't do busses," see what you think about this:

    • At the airport, take bus 21 (express service) or 12 (regular service) towards Luxembourg (not the country).  The bus station is at the airport, level 0, one floor down from the arrival hall.  Bus 21 and Bus 12 is the same line, express or regular, depending on time of day, day of week.  Get off at the Schuman stop (5 stops if 12 express line, 22 stops if the regular 21 service.)
    • See route: http://www.stib.be/irj/go/km/docs/horaires/12/schema/20120416/12_1.gif
    • See airport webpage for more info: Brussels Airport Website: Bus  once you read this, you'll see how easy it is.
    • At Schuman, catch metro line 1 towards Gare de l'Ouest and get off at De Brouckere (5 stops).  http://www.stib.be/irj/go/km/docs/STIB-MIVB/INTERNET/attachments/Plan_reseau/140212-plan_CHRONO.pdf
    • This is probably your fastest public transportation route, and will bring you closest to the hotel.  I know on the hotel website that is says that Gare Centrale is only .6 miles away, but I think it's more like .9 miles away from the hotel, so I wouldn't try going for Gare Centrale, instead shooting for De Brouckere.  The walk from De Brouckere is only 350 meters, 4 minutes.
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    • Here's the thing about busses.  They're more of a pain to navigate than the metro lines, but with busses, you're above ground and can see more things.
    • Here are some more useful links:

    http://www.stib-mivb.be/netplan-plan-reseau.html?l=en

    http://www.delijn.be/images/zaventem_luchthaven_tcm7-18440.pdfhttp://www.delijn.be/EC0F5950-8A7E-4EF7-84A8-9D2337BC9E3A/FinalDownload/DownloadId-AC450267C0EEBD8C6433F3AB0DF64CB0/EC0F5950-8A7E-4EF7-84A8-9D2337BC9E3A/images/zaventem_luchthaven_tcm7-18440.pdf

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