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Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific

shoeman1000 Platinum 4 Reviews
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Just read a great article on the tainted waters of the Pacific, all due to the nuclear site meltdown caused by the tsunami a few years ago.  Anyone that likes seafood/fish from the pacific should read.

 

Maybe those of you on the west coast could comment on this disaster...

 

shoeman

 

 

http://themindunleashed.org/2013/08/at-very-least-your-days-of-eating.html


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  • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
    jerrycoin Alumni Steward Platinum 60 Reviews
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    shoeman,

     

    Thanks for sharing!

     

    This is a "Real Deal", and we will probably be faced with a lot more than this in the future!

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  • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
    zukracer Alumni Steward Platinum 4 Reviews
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    I saw something about this online too, seems the mainstream media isnt really covering it.  Amazing to see how its spread, one has to wonder how long it will take to wrap around the other oceans and what the real impact is long term.

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  • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
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    Wow. What an interesting read shoeman1000! Thank you for sharing this article with the Insiders community. Being a pescatarian myself, this was definitely an eye-opening article. I try to stick to maintain a healthy lifestyle and make sure I know exactly what I’m consuming. I will have to be much more careful when ordering my fish.

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  • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
    iahflyr Platinum 26 Reviews
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    Thanks for the post Shoeman, guess my favorite Salmon is off limits for a while now.

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  • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
    pluto77 Alumni Steward Platinum 25 Reviews
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    So discouraging.  The waters are already overfished as it is without adding this disaster to it.  I try not to eat fish that are on the SeafoodWatch.org guide (which comes out about once/twice per year) which are listed under the 'avoid' column.  Now we're learning that the problem with fish populations in the Pacific is far worse.  I am also a big advocate whenever possible to buy locally grown, caught and/or prepared foods in an effort to help the environment (by limiting carbon emissions and using less non-renewable energy in the movement of food), but it's just getting harder and harder to 1) find or grow sources of healthy fish, 2) fish from populations that aren't overfished or 3) eat fish that is farmed or caught locally.  Most of the fish I see at stores here on the west coast (well, at least in CA) are Atlantic farmed.  And then there are the controversies revolving around the issues of fish farming, namely environment, cost, and the healthiness of farmed fish (at least in terms of the way we do it in modern times in order to supply the masses). 

     

    I love fish!  I miss Wild Alaskan Halibut, Pacific Cod, and Red Snapper.  Anyone remember Orange Roughy?  I never see that anymore.

     

    Yep, very discouraging.

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    • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
      foxglove Silver 3 Reviews
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      IAHFLYR pluto77  Steelhead is a good alternative to salmon, and SeafoodWatch.org lists them as "Best Choice" for trout. They're farmed, but being a freshwater species, the farming is a lot less harmful than ocean-caged Atlantic salmon, both for the consumer and the environment.

       

      http://www.montereybayaquarium.org//cr/SeafoodWatch/web/sfw_factsheet.aspx?gid=73

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      • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
        iahflyr Platinum 26 Reviews
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        foxglove,

         

        You are correct and we love our Steelhead as well, just not as much as Salmon.

         

        pluto77 I haven't seen Orange Roughy since I don't even know.....I loved it.

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      • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
        pluto77 Alumni Steward Platinum 25 Reviews
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        Costco sells a lot of Steelhead.  I'll try it.  Thanks, Foxglove.

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        • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
          tryt53 Alumni Steward Platinum 5 Reviews
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          I do find steelhead a little more fishy tasting, and not my first choice, but when you don't have other good choices....

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          • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
            profchiara Alumni Steward Silver 3 Reviews
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            But ALL of you must come to Maine for fresh lobster and gulf of Maine shrimp!  Next Super Bowl party, maybe?

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            • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
              profchiara Alumni Steward Silver 3 Reviews
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              I shouldn't add insult to injury, but we can buy fresh lobsters in the supermarket, have them steam it for us in about 8-10 minutes, and pay $4.99-8.99/lb depending on season, size and catch.  I eat it a lot !

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              • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
                pluto77 Alumni Steward Platinum 25 Reviews
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                I'm glad someone is!!!

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                • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
                  profchiara Alumni Steward Silver 3 Reviews
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                  During parts of the year it's cheaper than flounder or ground beef.  After all, in the olden days, people looked down on lobsters (literally as well as figuratively) calling them the cockroaches of the ocean.  SInce happily I have never ingested cockroaches (scarafaggio in Italian -- isn't that a wonderful word?) but have been in their vicinity on occasion, I can only assume our ancestors were idiots.

                   

                  PS -- If you ever get a bad hotel room in Italy, maybe go down to the front desk and yell "La camera ha SCARAFAGGI!!!" I bet you get a suite quickly.

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                  • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
                    pluto77 Alumni Steward Platinum 25 Reviews
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                    That's pretty funny!  My favorite Italian word (because I know so many - not) is funghi.  I just like saying it for some reason.

                     

                    In honor of Shoemans excellent post, here is a photo album of wonderful (and hopefully healthy and not overfished in the region) seafood.

                    http://www.rewards-insiders.marriott.com/photoAlbums/1633

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                    • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
                      profchiara Alumni Steward Silver 3 Reviews
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                      Wonderful!   May I suggest a new dish for wannabe Italian chefs out there?  Scarafaggi in salsa bianca con funghi?

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                      • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
                        pluto77 Alumni Steward Platinum 25 Reviews
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                        Nonononono... bene... forse senza lo scarafaggi, grazie.

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                        • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
                          profchiara Alumni Steward Silver 3 Reviews
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                          Sorry, couldn't help myself with the message that followed.

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                          • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
                            profchiara Alumni Steward Silver 3 Reviews
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                            I knew you'd like it, Pluto!  Doesn't it sound pretentious enough that someone at a restaurant might actually order it, when it was described by a haughty waiter as slightly salty, but with a light crunchy, nutty flavor.  It would obviously have to be paired with a robust red wine, probably a Vino Nobile da Montalcino so that one could appreciate the delicacies of the flavor combinations.  A hearty bread to soak up the sauce (and the protein) is of course mandatory.  Only as you are prepared to quit the job at which your boss has treated you horribly do you then explain what s/he has eaten with such gusto.

                             

                            (Never done anything like this, except the cooking senza scarafaggi, but I don't like pretentions, and I'd bet you ten to one -- I'm feeling lucky today after my Bangor Super Bowl win -- that the person being treated to this extravaganza of sensory delight would love every minute of it until they learned the main ingredient.)

                             

                            Of course, one could always substitute the scarifaggi of the ocean, known as astice in Italian, and the whole recipe would be delicious.  Add some paprika and a touch of nutmeg and madeira and you're close to newburg.  No, I won't go there (I immediately thought of a recipe for Scarafaggio Newburg.)

                             

                            Now you all know I am crazy.  I am.  I was not born to be a college professor.  I was born to tailgate and interview people and watch sports.  But sometimes life serves you curves and ya have to go with them.

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                      • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
                        profchiara Alumni Steward Silver 3 Reviews
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                        OK, since I like to cook, I am going to share my recipe for

                        SCARAFAGGI IN SALSA BIANCA CON FUNGHI, which is in high demand, especially among citydwellers.

                        (Description on menu:  A 'high-protein dish' in an herbed béchamel sauce with porcini mushrooms)

                        INGREDIENTS (for two people):

                        1/2 cup heavy cream

                        4 tbsps. butter

                        3 tbsps flour

                        ***

                        6 porcini mushrooms

                        2 tbsps butter

                        1 tsp olive oil

                        1 shallot

                        1 clove garlic

                        ***

                        Two dozen scarafaggi

                        Salt and pepper to taste.

                         

                        PREPARATION TIME 20 minutes; EATING TIME: 15 minutes; PUKING TIME: All night

                        Prepare the porcini mushrooms over low heat with butter and olive olive.  Dice shallots and garlic and add in last few minutes until all are browned.  Set aside.

                        BÉCHAMEL SAUCE

                        Stir butter and flour together over low heat then slowly add cream.  Continue cooking and whisking over low heat, blending carefully so that sauce does not break up.  Set in low oven until ready.

                        SCARAFAGGI

                        Salt and pepper the scarafaggi over high heat (they need to be dead, which is tough business)

                        in a wok.  Add the porcini mushrooms, shallots and garlic and stir.  Remove sauce from the oven and stir together.

                         

                        Add parsley as a topping and set in prime place on your dinner table when entertaining your boss.  Explain that it is a great delicacy in Italy.  When s/he asks for the recipe, decline, saying it was handed down by your great grandmother.

                         

                        For a digestif, serve a strong cognac.

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        • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
          fschumpert Platinum 22 Reviews
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          Cosco also sells farm-raised Salmon fillets, and they are some of the best we've tasted - I cook on grill with Salmon rub. We generally prefer North Atlantic Salmon, but also enjoy Copper River Salmon and Salmon from Columbia River as well.

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    • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
      tryt53 Alumni Steward Platinum 5 Reviews
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      pluto,

      Come visit us sometime in the summer, in fishing season, and we'll take you out on the little lake we have an access to.  We have a little 10' Livingston down on the shore and we take it out on the lake.  There are nice trout and land-locked Kokanee salmon.  They may be small, but they taste good, and I've heard they are really good smoked.  May be the only salmon we start eating, till things clear up.

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  • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
    bpelican Platinum 57 Reviews
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    Thanks for posting this shoeman1000.  I had no idea things were this bad.

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  • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
    californian Platinum 37 Reviews
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    Scientists have been testing the kelp off California and have detected radiation in the plant some time ago.  It has arrived all the way here and as said, you can't detect it.  I love fresh water fish but most have mercury from when the factories dumped waste in the Great Lakes.  From what I know the best choice for Salmon is from Scotland where it is farmed in a natural way and have no mercury.  Whole Foods sells this.  The question is do they contain radiation?

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    • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
      jerryl Platinum 2 Reviews
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      first I respect peoples ability to eat what they want but this article to me is way over the top. I read some of the comments and that there is far too little real evidence given and real study. From my perspective these are usually written by people, with an agenda. I remember when mercury and tuna was the thing but when studied in  moderation everything was fine. But as I said each to their own. Having a coho salmon tonight 

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    • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
      profchiara Alumni Steward Silver 3 Reviews
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      The radiation may help with the scarafaggi, Californian.  Probably a good thing. 

       

      On a more serious note, I buy almost all of my seafood (it's not hard) from New England or Eastern Canada.  Maine by law has to list where all its seafood comes from and I will not buy stuff from Thailand, Myanmar, or Vietnam.  (I even read the bar codes on my cat food labels to make sure where they're coming from.)

       

      For those interested, here's a breakdown:

      Prefix List | Support | BarCodes & Identification | Products & Solutions | GS1 - The global language of business

       

      It's not foolproof anymore than "Made in the USA" is but it helps identify likely country of origin, which has impacted my buying decisions.

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      • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
        californian Platinum 37 Reviews
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        This really gets hard.  One tries to eat right and exercise to stay healthy and them things like radiation come into the picture.  Maybe we should just eat, drink and be merry because tomorrow we will die.

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        • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
          profchiara Alumni Steward Silver 3 Reviews
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          That phrase, foxglove, comes from the time of the Black Death, 1347-50.  When people saw as many as 2 of 3 people around them falling victim, they did just that (or some of them -- others walled themselves in, many prayed, and others who could afford so, fled to the countryside.)

           

          The famous Avignon song "On y danse sur le Pont d'Avignon" also comes from the plague time, as does Ring Around the Rosie, because sweet smelling (I almost wrote swelling, which would have been a horrible Freudian slip) things were thought to ward off plague.

           

          Whenever I teach the Black Death, I teach my students what medieval people did (all of the above, including unfortunately husband leaving wife, wife leaving children, sister leaving brother, the whole rigmarole), I ask them at the very end what they would do.  Except for prayers and processions (I'm usually the most religious of the group), I get the same answers medieval people did.  Either they'd stay in their dorm room after hording stuff from the dining halls, go to the pub and eat, drink and be merry and sleep around, or escape as soon as possible to The County (in Maine, that means Aroostock County, where there are few people and a lot of potatoes).  Many would raid Walmart on the way for food, medicines, and bows and arrows.  I point out that gas stations would quickly run out of gas (or attendants), but most decide to flee, especially if the worse-afflicted people from Bates or Bowdoin came north .

          Cheerio,

          ProfChiara

           

          PS -- No tilapia for me.

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      • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
        foxglove Silver 3 Reviews
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        I'd add Chinese tilapia to your "do not buy" list. One of the majors at the school at which I work is fisheries management. One of our grad students came back from a conference in China and showed me pictures he took on one of the tours, when they went to a tilapia farm. There were chicken coops with chicken-wire bottoms built on scaffolding over the fish ponds. And the only animals that received "feed" were the chickens.   Where is that emoticon?

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          californian Platinum 37 Reviews
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          I don't think we should eat anything that comes from China.  Sometime ago, they showed the same thing about shrimp.  Most food is grown in contaminated ground since waterways are filled with contaminants.  This effects fish and such.  It does help to see where food comes from.

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          • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
            foxglove Silver 3 Reviews
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            Yeah, and much of Asian shrimp-farming is done in locations that once were mangrove thickets (or mangles). The farms destroy the mangles, which if healthy, act as nurseries for valuable fish stocks and help control flooding.

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        • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
          profchiara Alumni Steward Silver 3 Reviews
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          I don't mean to be anti a certain country, but after what happened with pet food in China, I try to avoid buying anything edible for me or my cat from China -- hence my interest in bar code info.

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        jerryl Platinum 2 Reviews
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        Prof I agree with labeling. I have a summer home in New Hampshire and cant wait until I can get a good lobster and some steamers at Market Basket. Last summer lobster went as low as 3.99. And would agree I never get anything food from China aassuming I know it. One way to tell is price. if it is too cheap there is a reason

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    marriottmemberfromla Platinum 51 Reviews
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    CNN recently reported the significant increase in China's pollution impacting Southern California. This is another depressing note. LA has never been known to have great air, but the air quality in the past few years has been particularly bad.

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    • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
      profchiara Alumni Steward Silver 3 Reviews
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      My best friend, who specializes in Chinese history and teaches at a Midwestern university, feels exactly the same as I do.  He and his wife have cats as well and were affected by the addition of horrible non-food ingredients a few years ago.  He told me that many if not most food products in China are still produced in backyards, where there are absolutely no controls and people add ingredients as fillers to increase their price -- but which are often toxic.

       

      I'm not an expert, but he's been there and seen it.  That's why I've become a bar code junkie.  I don't much care if the clothes on my back are from China, but food is another matter.  Plus I prefer, to the degree it is possible, to support American products.  We have a thriving farm market and local produce industry in Maine. which I think is fantastic.

       

      PS -- I loved the Bob Dylan ad in the Super Bowl, despite people criticizing him for not being himself.  Hey, Bob Dylan will always be something you don't expect him to be, and I think his message is a good one.  Buy American when you can.  I do not follow those rules for wines (sorry Californians, your wines are too alcoholic for me with 14 and 14.5%!) or cheese, and try to circumvent the laws that neuter European cheeses (there are ways). 

       

      But when I buy a car it will always be a Ford because it is the best car I have ever had.  And I will probably buy most every home type item that is American-made that I can.  I don't think we have a monopoly on pollution free things (as witness West Virginia's loss of drinking water), but at least I want to know where stuff comes from so I can make an informed decision.

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  • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
    shoeman1000 Platinum 4 Reviews
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    Full disclosure. after having started this thread, I had sushi 3 separate times this week, and filet of sole on another night.  I found the article interesting and thought-provoking, but I will not let that stop me from eating fish/seafood.  I will just try to be smart about it.

     

    Oh, and how neat would it be to eat lobster as often as the good prof?? 

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    • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
      profchiara Alumni Steward Silver 3 Reviews
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      Hi Shoeman,

      I eat fish most nights, though I'm not a fan of sushi, mostly because of the "potential" problems with worms.  But sole is one of my favorite dishes, and I cook it regularly (flounder can be substituted).  When in Europe (at least near the sea), I can always tell how good a restaurant is based on how they cook sole meunière (it's not hard to cook, but easy to spot things done wrong).  I learned at Le Navigator in France many years ago how to debone it myself (piece a' cake), though apparently it is not de rigueur to do it yourself.  Bad versions are too oily or buttery or the fish is overcooked.

       

      A simple recipe for sole taught to me by my seafood guy at the supermarket is this:

      sole or flounder filets

      either bought or homemade stuffing, crab and breadcrumbs usually)

      Campbell's cream of shrimp of soup (about half a can put over 3-4 filets

      Cook at 375 for 20 minutes.  It's delicious.

       

      Today I splurged.  Beef tenderloin AND Alaskan king crab legs were on sale or at reduced prices, so I made filet mignon Oscar.  (Yes, even here at home I eat my main meal of the day around 2pm!)

       

      And I won't to a poll, but will ask all of you how you like your lobster.  When I first started to cook, I was really into Lobster Newburg and fancy dishes like that.  Since living in New England, I have definitely come to the conclusion that boiled or steamed lobster with butter (sometimes with parsley, a touch of garlic or shallots added) is the best.

       

      PS - Just make sure you don't use scarafaggi instead of lobster, even though the cost would be vastly reduced for the delicacy whose recipe I provided in an earlier post

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      • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
        shoeman1000 Platinum 4 Reviews
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        Hey Prof

         

        I prefer my lobster one of two ways.  Lunch time, give me a good old-fashioned lobster roll.  At dinner, I prefer broiled lobster to steamed.  Nothing fancy, old-style for me.

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      • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
        Sledchick Platinum 9 Reviews
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        I can eat seafood or lobster for all 3 meals (but that's not recommended).    I do eat leftover lobster for breakfast quite often.  I boil them myself, and usually get them from our local Market Basket (which does happen to be as fresh as I can get).  It's so easy and so yummy.  Lucky for me that neither my husband nor my son enjoy this deliciousness!  Once in a while I'll throw some Old Bay seasoning into the water while boiling.  I do always put Old Bay in when boiling shrimp.  This is making me hungry...

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        • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
          iahflyr Platinum 26 Reviews
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          Do you ever boil them for just a few seconds to get the meat to pull away from the shell and then grill them?

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          • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
            Sledchick Platinum 9 Reviews
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            No, I haven't but it sounds like a great idea, IAHFLYR!  I'm going to have to run out after we shovel the 18.5 inches of snow and try this.  You ARE the grillmaster!

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            • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
              iahflyr Platinum 26 Reviews
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              Actually Sledchick, I made the grilled lobster last night with some excellent tenderloin fillets for our Valentine dinner since my wife headed off to Florida this morning for a wedding.  The lobster has to boil for more than "a few seconds" as I mentioned previously, I had them in last night for five minutes before putting them under cold water so they'd stop cooking and then when almost at room temperature put them on the grill meat side down for five more minutes........YUMMMMO

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              • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
                Sledchick Platinum 9 Reviews
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                What a wonderful Valentine's celebration!  It sounds scrumptious.  Sorry your better half is gone for the actual day, but it seems you had a great night last night!

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        • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
          jerryl Platinum 2 Reviews
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          cant wait to get back to Market Basket this summer. also great steamers . Some lobster lovers don't realize that when they become soft shell the price drops since there is more shell per pound which is one reason prices drop late summer. but also like a good lobster roll

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          • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
            Sledchick Platinum 9 Reviews
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            Oh.  Lobster roll.  I'm salivating at the thought!  I tend to make my dinner sometimes from just steamers, butter and wine.  It's easy and delicious!

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  • Re: Think Again before Ordering Fish/seafood from the Pacific
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    BOTTOM LINE:

     

    Eat lobster and die, or avoid lobster and live?

     

    I choose to eat lobster!

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