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Marriott in the Muddle?

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What should Marriott do when a government official in a certain state bordering New Jersey alienates at least half of potential guests with a "you are not welcome here" comment made from the State House?  Ignore it?  Leave the state? Fight back?

 

I would assume most companies are willing to ignore comments like these, but just wondering what you would do if this happened and you were CEO?

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    nuhusker Platinum 2 Reviews
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    I took this as more of a statement of individuals who are not welcomed in NY.  And since I'm not planning on going to NY his insults don't apply to me.

    But, if I was CEO of marriott getting out of NY might be in my top 5 or so, but first I'd leave Vietnam and China in my rearview mirror for starters.

    That's just my opinion based on my own sense of ethics.  Others obviously see it differently, and the sun will still come up tomorrow...probably.

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      Remember what I said about skeptics?  We know that the Governor is trying to soften the statement but it was said with clarity.  I think it reflects a culture that is not what I want to see in America, just my opinion.

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    paulaw Member
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    Please, tell me more??? I am not privvy to what your government says but as current affairs is my thing, I'd love to know the detail to this post.

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      erc Platinum
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      paulaw

      Because I look forward to your 'waxed cotton jacket walk in the woods with the dogs' stories - here's the scoop:

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/18/andrew-cuomo-if-extreme-conservatives-are-right-to-life-pro-assault-weapon-anti-gay-then-they-have-no-place-in-the-state-of-new-york/

      (some fascinating comments attached as well - enjoy)

       

      Good post anadyr - I'm pretty much in line with mmla. As a shareholder, as you suggest, I'm pondering Arne's wading into political matters, you would have to figure sooner or later, he's going to step in it. We'll see.

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        Alumni Steward Platinum 8 Reviews
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        The ability of a CEO not to make headlines or wade into political minefields, either with intent or not, is always problematic.  Taking no position often is seen as taking a side.

         

        Ask Henry Ford!

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          erc Platinum
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          I agree, that's why it must be managed effectively. I work with several millennial CEOs and my role model for them of balancing business and politics is Bill Marriott. Having a 40 year relationship with the Marriott Corp., I have a pretty good grasp of their core values and few execute them better than Marriott. They have been into multi-cultural diversity for decades with suppliers, employees, and property owners. They developed a LGBT website (under Bill's leadership) long before it was cool/trendy/popular/no brainer. What I like about Marriott is how they manage business and rights issues without beating their chests over it ( I can remember the Vegas arguments back in the 70s).  As an investor, I like my CEOs more along the line of Bill Marriott than Howard Schultz (although, highly successful and one I've done quite well with), but that's just a personal preference of moving into the twilight wanting to avoid headaches.

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            Alumni Steward Platinum 8 Reviews
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            erc

             

             

            Bill Marriott senior was a friend of Presidents, even managed an inaugural as I recall, but those were days of gentlemanly discourse (sorry ladies) and aisles that were crossed. Now the booby traps and trip wires are everywhere, and doing good can get you in dutch with someone at sometime.  Being a good citizen can mean speaking out as well as keeping silent, IMHO

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              erc Platinum
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              I was discussing Jr. (Bill). No disagreement about good citizenship, but as Dan Cathy and others have seen, it's a skill, not just the act itself.

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                Alumni Steward Platinum 8 Reviews
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                I know you were but I was referring to the Marriott family whose dedication to good deeds is beyond dispute.

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                  erc Platinum
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                  Exactly. And as they pointed out on the CNBC profile, Jr. ain't no lightweight when it comes to getting his way, in the most respectful way, focusing on what's right, not who.

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              eb5147 Alumni Steward Platinum 7 Reviews
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              You are so right, anadyr .

               

              Hope it's not too cold for you there in Boston.  I really don't know what the weather's like, so it might be warmer than SC right now. 

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          marriottmemberfromla Platinum 51 Reviews
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          "Taking no position is often seen as taking a side."

           

          Therefore, are you disappointed that Marriott has not made a statement on the matter?  If Hilton stated that they were disappointed with the comments by the government of New York and that they welcome all guests, would you switch from Marriott to Hilton?

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            The shareholders of Marriott ultimately decide on what the leadership does or does not do. I choose my stays based on price, and availability.

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              paulaw Member
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              100% agree with this.  We over here always moan about corporates running the world so if Marriott decides to leave politics to the government and not comment - I for one am fine with that.  I don't like mixing business with pleasure and as Marriott is one of my leisure luxuries I'd say leave the politic power struggle to those who signed up for it.

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                Yes unless it becomes so intolerable (North Korea comes to mind) and then it is better to leave than suffer the slings and arrows of cruel dictators)

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                eb5147 Alumni Steward Platinum 7 Reviews
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                Good for you, paulaw and anadyr .

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              marriottmemberfromla Platinum 51 Reviews
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              Some people (I am not sure what the % is) do make consumer decisions based on the policies and/or values of the company (Chick-Fil-A and Wal-Mart come to mind...the current CEO's former employer).  I may, but it would be subconsciously.  I am not aware of any major differences in hotel brands when it comes to policies or values, but I haven't really researched the subject.

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                eb5147 Alumni Steward Platinum 7 Reviews
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                I do if I join an organization and they say I support what they say just because I'm a member.  That is the lowest IMHO.

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                  paulaw Member
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                  Ballot box is where I go to make my point about politics.

                  I personally don't think it fair to expect Marriott to comment, it is a member of a service industry that employs, and caters for, diversity.

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                    Alumni Steward Platinum 8 Reviews
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                    True, but they have taken positions on other issues, as you know, like immigration.

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                      paulaw Member
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                      I guess there are some issues where our cultures differ and I must respect that.  For our part over here if the corps spoke up with regard to a political viewpoint, we'd tell them to 'wind their neck in'.

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                        love it!

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                        eb5147 Alumni Steward Platinum 7 Reviews
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                        Companies aren't organizations like the one I spoke of, either.

                         

                        I think the real point is that Marriott and some of the other companies didn't have to say anything about what they thought.  They were attacked for what they thought, so do they ignore the comments or stand up to them?  At some point, they might have to stand up to them.  

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        nuhusker Platinum 2 Reviews
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        I think anadyr was asking what we (individually) would do in response to these comments if we were CEO of Marriott.  He acknowledges that most businesses would probably ignore the comments.  I agree that Marriott probably doens't gain alot by commenting...besides I probably wouldn't like what they had to say about it anyway. And Chick Fil A is my favorite place to eat.

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          erc Platinum
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          Similar to mminla and Marriott, I too would have had no dog in the fight (for exactly the reason you stated).

          I enjoy Chick Fil A also and as a private company, I've got no financial problem with what they do or when they are open (as a customer, I'd love some waffle fries on Sunday). Had it been a public company and I an investor, the most likely dip in value would have irritated me.

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            nuhusker Platinum 2 Reviews
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            On Sunday we eat at Cracker Barrel.

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              Both fine dining places!

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          marriottmemberfromla Platinum 51 Reviews
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          What I stated is what I would do if I were the CEO because I think it would be the best business decision.  Even if a pool of customers were disappointed in Marriott for not taking a public stance on this issue (especially given their high number of properties in New York), it is most likely that a similar % of customers would be dissatisfied with Hilton, Starwood, etc.

           

          Chick-Fil-A is one of the few companies that has a strong public stance on controversial issues such of these.  They even miss out on revenue opportunities because of their decision to close all stores on Sundays to reflect/embrace their core values.  However, they are the rare major company (left or right) that takes such a stance.  I completely understand someone not patronizing a business because its core values conflict with their own values/beliefs or patronizing it because their values/beliefs align.

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            nuhusker Platinum 2 Reviews
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            I'm guessing that Dan Cathy doesn't feel he's missing our on anything by closing on Sunday.

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          jerrycoin Alumni Steward Platinum 60 Reviews
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          nu,

           

          Mine for lunch as well!

           

          Can't beat it!

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    jerrycoin Alumni Steward Platinum 60 Reviews
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    anadyr,

     

    It sure sounds like many people are "Listening" to The Governor!  Haven't they lost over 3 1/2 million people in recent years?

     

    He'll get his wish as if they keep raising taxes and prices!

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      He's been backpedaling ever since, and claiming he was misquoted, but we all know he meant what he said.  Like any other bully, he is not that strong at heart.

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        jerrycoin Alumni Steward Platinum 60 Reviews
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        anadyr,

         

        The quote I heard involved the message "He invited conservatives to leave the state.  It will be interesting to see how many obey his desire.  Sounds like something "The Pharoh finally said to Moses"!

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          true

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          eb5147 Alumni Steward Platinum 7 Reviews
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          Good one, jerrycoin .

           

          I see so many from NY moving to the south.  I imagine most others all over the country do, too, with so many leaving there and MI.

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    marriottmemberfromla Platinum 51 Reviews
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    The government official is not an employee of Marriott; therefore, Marriott has no need to make any statement or take any public action on the matter.  Making a public statement would be a bad idea because Marriott is not directly or even indirectly responsible for the government official comment (taking a corporate stance on this matter would more likely result in a boycott of Marriott than not making a statement).

     

    If the comments from the government official truly resulted in a negative impact on tourism to New York and thus hotel revenue, it would impact not only Marriott but also Hilton, Starwood, etc.  If the loss in revenue from this comment was significant, the best course of action for Marriott would to be to align with other hotel brands and approach the New York government about what countermeasures/actions they could initiate to resolve the issue.

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      Alumni Steward Platinum 8 Reviews
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      Well we live in an interconnected world, and what if that government official had made the comment about a racial, ethnic or religious group? Would Marriott stay out of it. The new CEO seems to want to engage in matters political, like immigration reform, going to Davos, etc.  Something to ponder

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        marriottmemberfromla Platinum 51 Reviews
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        First of all, there are a lot of major corporations that do business in New York and many large corporations that have headquarters in New York.  I do not see many public statements made on this matter.  And regardless of one's beliefs, I personally think it is unreasonable to expect a non-related company to take a stance on the matter.

         

        If it was a comment about an ethnic group or another US protected group...yes, Marriott would stay out of it.  Recently, comments were made by a Duck Dynasty cast member that could be viewed as negative/offensive towards a US protected group.  A&E made a public statement because Duck Dynasty is on their network.  HBO did not make a public statement.   DirecTV (which airs A&E's Duck Dynasty as part of its programming) did not make a public statement.

         

        The only way the CEO of a non-related company would discuss it is if it would come up in an interview.

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        marriottmemberfromla Platinum 51 Reviews
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        If a government official did make a very extreme and specific statement such as "We do not want this particular group to stay at hotels in New York", Marriott might be forced to make a statement on the matter.  However, the comment from the New York government official was not intended or directly related to hotels or tourism.

         

        But if that type of comment was made, Marriott's response to the matter would most likely be very similar to the responses of other hotel brands. 

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          Alumni Steward Platinum 8 Reviews
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          We agree that there are many sides to this issue.

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        marriottmemberfromla Platinum 51 Reviews
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        By the way, Marriott was the first hospitality company to establish a formal Diversity & Inclusion program--a program that most major corporations (in hospitality or other industries) have adopted since.  I personally feel with the changing US landscape that this is not only important to embrace the differences of both company associates and customers, but it is necessary to ensure future success.  Therefore, I applaud Marriott for being a leader in this field.

         

        Your points about the CEO's desire to engage on all kinds of matters/topics might be true, but it would still need to be representative of the Marriott brand, their policy, their core values, and where the Marriott brand wants to go in the future.

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