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St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013

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My Wife and I have scheduled a cruise with the main purpose is to visit St. Petersburg, Russia in July/August 2013 with the following itinerary:

 

7/23         Orlando - Copenhagen,Denmark (United Airlines - First Class)

7/24-26     Copenhagen, Denmark (Copenhagen Marriott)

7/26          Silversea Cruise starting in Copenhagen, Denmark

7/27          Day at Sea

7/28          Helsinki, Finland

7/29-31     St. Petersburg, Russia

8/1            Tallinn, Estonia

8/2            Silversea Cruise ending in Stockholm, Sweden

8/2-6         Stockholm, Sweden (Stockholm Hilton)

8/6           Stockholm - Brussels (Brussels Airlines - Business Class)

8/6-10       Brussels, Belgium (Brussels Hilton)

8/10          Brussels - Orlando (United Airlines - First Class)

 

Any Suggestions for this trip would be appreciated!!!!

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  • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
    sg1974 Gold
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    Jasper,

     

    which of the destinations have you not visited?

     

    sg

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  • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
    GemPrincess Alumni Steward Platinum 17 Reviews
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    I have also done the Baltic Cruise, and some of my favorite things were

    • St. Petersburg
      • Hermitage is a must - there is usually a tour package for just the Hermitage, and one that includes the Hermitage with other points or interest.  If you really want to see the Hermitage, then take the option that only goes there
      • Catherine's Summer place - One of the most gorgeous places I have ever been.  Love the Amber room and bought the book with all the pictures.
      • Yusupov Palace - they have a champagn and cavier reception, all in period clothes (so don't forget to bring some to wear if you go on this tour).  Then they have the opera singers from the Mariinsky theater come and sing their favorite arias, and afterwards there was a reception line to meet and greet.  Was interesting since we knew little Russian and they knew little English but we managed to communicate and have a great time.  I would have gone to the Mariinsky for a perforamnce but the stage was dark when we were there.

                    http://www.saint-petersburg.com/museums/yusupov-palace.asp

      • Vodka Museum - learned alot about vodka, saw some incredible bottles, and got to taste them too
      • Subway tour - the St. Pete subway is very interesting.  Not quite as amazing as Moscow, but still interesting.  Also great to see the every day life.
      • Stay away from the day trip to Moscow, as this is an incredible waste of time.  You only get about 2-3 hr in red square, and travel along way to see it in very difficult circumstances
    • Tallin - did a self tour.  There is a lot to see, just walking around the downtown area, and the shopping is absolutely fabulous.  Lots of Fins and Swedes come over just to shop
    • Helsinki was amazing.  Did the water tour as there is so much to see from the water, as well as the land tour.  Loved the Church of the Rock which is mostly underground with light from above.  Great shopping in the port harbor area  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temppeliaukio_Church
    • Stockholm - did a quick city tour, and wander around on our own before meeting up with family and friends living there.  They took us to a fantastic restaurant bar, across the harbor from where the ships dock.  It was great to be in a local place and see what the swedes like to do.
    • We also had stops in Gotland, which is Sweden's largest Island and a lovely place.  You can get there from Stockholm on a ferry, as they have a very large ferry system.  Had wanted to go north to lappland, but not enough time....next trip. Also wanted to visit the Ice hotel, but it only exists in the winter.  We did go to the Ice Bar in Stockholm which is fabulous, and the most popular cruise tour for the Baltic cruises

           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland     

    • Lived in Brussels for the better part of a year.  Love the Grand Place in Brussels. The architecture is beautiful, and each building has a story about it.  I got a free guidebook from the ministry of tourism, and it had a great description of the Grand Place buildings.  One of my favorite things to do on the weekends was to sit in the Grand Place and read my book, observing each building it was describing.  There are wonderful stands selling Belgian Beer which to me is some of the best beer, especially the Kriek (Cherry) and Petch (Peach). I tried finding real Belgian fries, which are twice fried, but at the time there was only 1 place left, under a bridge where an old lady was making these well-known fries. Was told by the locales that MacDonalds had taken over the french fry business even in Brussels.  After a morning of Belgian Beer, chocolate and reading about the Grand Place, its time for lunch, so just walk around the streets surrounding the grand place and look at all the restaurants that have menus outside.  Just walk along reading the menus till you find the one with the dishes you like.  The speciality is defniately mussels that will be cooked with many different sauces.  Or try the famous Belgian Fondue, which is meats and vegetables cooked at the table in hot oil and dipped in mayonnaise sauces made from scratch.  The food in Belgium is so good, and so reasonable, that the french come on a regular basis to eat there. and the Belgians were very forgiving with my french which is less than perfect.

           http://travel.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/travel/brussels-the-chocolate-trail.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Place

           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_cuisine

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    • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
      jasper100 Alumni Steward Platinum 10 Reviews
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      Thanks for all the great info. I will incorporate a lot of it into my trip. I have been to Moscow a number of times when I was on assignment in Azerbaijan. So fortunately I won't be doing the long trip there on this cruise.

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      • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
        GemPrincess Alumni Steward Platinum 17 Reviews
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        Then this will be your easiest entry into Russia on the cruise ship blanket visa.  If you have traveled before to Russia, will you appreciate this.

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  • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
    jerrycoin Alumni Steward Platinum 60 Reviews
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    Jasper,

     

    It sounds like a wonderful itenery

     

    The Marriott in Copenhagen is very nice.  A great CL and nice staff.  It is a short walk to the train station and I would recommend a light rail trip to "Hamlet's Castle".  Likewise from there you can take a short ferry ride to Sweden and take a walk to a wonderful Visitor Center and shops.  You can do all of this in less than a day.

     

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    Please let me apologize for being in the picture, this is a wonderful place to visit. The history of the sea behind this castle is fabulous!

     

    Have a great trip!

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  • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
    chrisf Alumni Steward Platinum 20 Reviews
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    Sounds like a nice trip Jasper.  It's been a while since we were in St Petersburg and Brussels but the places that made the biggest impressions were ...

     

    St Petersburg ... the Church of the Spilled Blood ...

     

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    Brussels ... Grande Place

     

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    We were there in August but I think that it was near the end ... there was an amazing food and wine fest in Grande Place and they had competitive marching bands!  Even without the fest, it is a stunning square to see.

     

    A couple of food/drink places ...

    Chez Jacques ... great fish ... they used to only speak French or Flemish and the menus were only in those languages ... however, I think that they may have moved with the times!  ... Jacques

    There are many great bars in Brussels ... this site gives some of the more interesting ... Top 10 traditional bars in Brussels | Travel | guardian.co.uk ... the ones that I would recommend are ... Estaminet Toone ... Mort Subite ... Au Bon Vieux Temps.  Try the Mort Subite beer (cherry flavoured kriek beer) and Kwak, which is served in a special glass in a stand.

     

    I am really beginning to wish that we had a trip to Brussels planned!  (I would write more but Ann Marie has just summoned me for dinner ... and I don't like to keep a lady waiting ...

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    • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
      jasper100 Alumni Steward Platinum 10 Reviews
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          Thanks Chrisf...I appreciate your advise here and will be sure to incorporate them into my trip..I am assuming you got a visa in advance of your trip..I am still debating whether to get a separate visa or to just use the cruise ship visa approach whereby they get you the visa and you can only go approve tours but cannot explore St . Petersburg on your own!!!

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      • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
        chrisf Alumni Steward Platinum 20 Reviews
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        Yes, Jasper, we got full visas ... we were staying for 3 nights in a city centre hotel.  Although we had the full visas, our trips were all chaperoned by a large gentleman with a distinctive bulge under his arm.  We did have a funny episode whilst there ... my wife needed something from the department store which was near our hotel but didn't realise until we were dressed for a 'black tie' dinner.  Wlaking through central St Petersburg in evening dress was a bit of a show stopper.  When we found the item in the department store, we had to wait for the only available telephone line to become free before we could use a CC to buy the item.  All of this was negotiated in broken english and sign language!  However, the dinner was outstanding ... vodka with every course, of course!

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        • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
          GemPrincess Alumni Steward Platinum 17 Reviews
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          I have been to Russia many times, both with my own visa, and also under a cruise ship blanket visa.

           

          I would highly recommend taking advantage of the cruise ship blanket visa.  There is no easier way to enter Russia.  I couldn't believe it was the same country.  While we went through immigration control, most of the staff was in the dining room being wined and dined by the cruise line.

           

          Going with your own visa is an arduous process at best.

          • Getting the Visa...I usually walked my own through the consulate in NYC, which meant being the 1st in line, so being at the door 30 minutes before they opened usually got me to the front of the line.  Make sure to read the website on visa requirements and be prepared with Money Order, pictures, passport, letter of invitation from a sponsor, etc.  I always paid the expediting fee which meant I could go back in the p.m. and pick up the passport and visa.
          • Verify your visa.  Make sure it was properly translated by having someone else read the cryllic version.  If you have a typo, they can refuse you entry into the country, or cause problems when your leaving.
          • Entering the country. There are 2 ways to do this.
            • The easy way is to use a VIP service.  I have a step-sister who works in an international law firm that would arrange this for me. They escort you from the plane portal to a lounge where you wait while someone else runs your paperwork around, gets your bags and clears them through customs.  Also, my guide could come into the lounge and pick me up.  I tried to have him there before arrival to insure I had independent translation of what was going on.
            • The hardway is to do it yourself which means standing in an endless line through passport control, and then another line through customs which has 2 queues, one for nothing to declare, and another if you have anything to declare. all currency needs to be declared, so if you have money on you, by definition you have something to declare, and if you multiple currencies on you, then you will itemize it all.  Sometimes they run out of english forms, and you have to use another language (another reason I want my translator there, and the only way to get him in is through the VIP lounge)
          • Getting around. The few signs that exist are in cyrllic, so navigating means stopping at each street to confirm your going in the right direction, generally by asking people hanging around there.  Taxis are not marked, so you flag down what essentially are gypsy cabs or private citizens driving their car on off hours, and you negotiate a price.  If anyone hears english the price goes up, so this is where I stand there like a deaf-mute while my guide negotiates and let them assume I am the GF.  This is also true for shopping, restaurants, sight seeing.  There is the foreign pricing, and the russian pricing.

           

          By far the easiest entry was cruise ship blanket visa.  We walked off the ship in Russia like any other country, with a cursory glance at our passport.

           

          Of course it means buying the cruise ship tours, but I found them to be very good.  For Plan B, I had arranged for my regular guide to meet me in St. Pete, but it was a long train trip (many folks do not want to fly on the local airlines for safety reasons)  for him, to spend 1 day on a cruise ship.

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    • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
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      Great pictures!

       

      Agree that this church was outstanding!

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      • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
        jasper100 Alumni Steward Platinum 10 Reviews
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        Yes, I hope I get the opportunity to visit this church!!!

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        • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
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          jasper 100

           

          if its possible for you., you have to stay more lontime  in belgium  bevore  you   take your  home flight.

           

          for all nice citys  in belgium,  alredy  mentioned. .    woderfull citys  with so many thinks to   visited

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        • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
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          My other favorites were

          1) champaign & cavier reception in Yusopov palace.  Everyone working there was dressed in period costumes, so I did my best to put together an outfit that fit in. Afterwards they had all the Mariinsky Opera stars come and sing their favorite arias in the Yusopov Palace theater which is a small 60 seat theater.  There was also a receiving line to meet with the performers which was great fun

          2) Subway tour.  While St. Pete subway is not as spectacular as Moscow (have spent many days there touring the various stations), it is still pretty amazing.  Also love being their during the rush hour to see how folks live.

          3) Catherine's Summer Palace - especially the Amber Room

          4) Catherine's Winter Palace, a.k.a. Hermitage

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          • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
            chrisf Alumni Steward Platinum 20 Reviews
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            You are bringing back some excellent memories for us GemP ... I think that we had the black-tie dinner at the Yusopov Palace ... we also went to both of the other Palaces that you mention but I think that we were not permitted to take any pics.  We had a couple of opera stars and a ballerina do shows in the same theatre ... pretty stunning ... I also recall an awesome chandelier ...

             

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            • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
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              Chrisf,

               

              Absolutely gorgious pictures.

               

              I think during my trip I was taking a vacation from my camera as well.

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              • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
                razorbackfan Alumni Steward Platinum 23 Reviews
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                Gem Princess et al,

                 

                I need some guidance on selecting a cruise line which operates in this area.  We would be able to cruise in June or July.  Thanks for your suggestions.

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                • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
                  jasper100 Alumni Steward Platinum 10 Reviews
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                  I am taking my cruise on Silver Sea which is a little more expensive but "all inclusive" including alcohol and tips..I have taken Silver Sea several times and had great trips both times!!!

                   

                  www.silversea.com

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                  • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
                    razorbackfan Alumni Steward Platinum 23 Reviews
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                    Thanks, Jasper.  I had seen your itinerary at the beginning of these posts; however, we are looking at a less expensive cruise because we also hope to include a couple of weeks on bike and boat trips/self-guided bike trips.  I hope you will post lots of pictures.

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                    • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
                      GemPrincess Alumni Steward Platinum 17 Reviews
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                      Checking VacationsToGo.com - the 90 day ticker (Northern Europe) which lists everything that is not selling, so high discounted, the options are:

                      • Rotterdam VI, Holland America, departing Rotterdam on Apr 27th for 14 nights @ $1500/pp for an inside (+200/pp for water view)  which is  which is selling at a 60+% discount and is - has the same itinerary I had with 2 nights in St. Petersburg and 2 in Stockholm, but also stopping in Copenhage, Kiel (Hamburg), Warnemunde (day trips to Berlin, or I chose to use the time to see the Mecklinburg Hunting Lodge and the Amber German Museum closer to the port), Tallin Estonia has great shopping and sightseeing near the port, St, Petersburg (did the city tour which had the church on it, vodka museum, subway tour, Summer Palace and amber room, Winter Palace, a.k.a Hermitage and Yusopov Palace), Stockholm (did the city tour and visited friends),  and Visby (Gotland Island)
                      • Star, NCL, . Additional ports are Ponta Delgada Portugal, Dover, Helsingborg Sweden, Helsinki, but you give up the 2nd night in Stockholm, Kiel Germany and Visby. The Star is an older, smaller ship (so not as glitzy but very comfortable), but it is the favorite ship of the NCL crew so some of the most experience crew members are on this ship, and since they have been working together as a team for a long time, things run smoothly.  NCL has a freestyle cruise motto, so there is no set dining time, you just go when you want, and if you pick a popular time you may have to wait a bit for a table. They also have the most casual dress code.  Tends to be a younger crowd while Holland tends to have the oldest passengers.
                        • departing Miami on Apr 23rd for 23 nites for $1860/pp (aoubt $80 night for cabin, food, shipboard entertainment ) and is a repositioning cruise so you will only need airfare to return
                        • departing May 7th from Copenhagen for 9 nights at $1200
                      • Ryndam, Holland America, . This is the same ship I was on for the Norweigen Fjords.
                        • departing May 11th out of Dover for 21 nights at $2200.  and it looks like they have combined the Southern Norway cruise with the Gems of the Baltic.  Additional ports:Oslo, Kristiansand, Stavanger (Lysefjord Fjord cruising), Ulvik (Hardangerfjord cruising), Stockholm Archipelago cruising. 
                        • departing May 18th for 14 nights for $1600 - drops Norway
                      • Eurodam, Holland America, departing Cophenhagen on May 21st for 10 nights at $1400. St. Pete - 2 nights, Stockholm - 1 night, Helsinki - 1night, Germany 2 nites (Kiel, Warnemunde)
                      • Constellation, Celebrity, departing Amsterdam on May 20th for 12 nites for $2400/pp

                       

                      Notes: These prices are for May and are lower.  They will increase for the White Nights Equinox, and also early June when there are lots of celebrations in the scandinavian countries. Summer will be highest priced.  The Baltic is cool even in the middle of summer, so I did not miss having a balcony cabin, and just went with a cheap inside.  I really loved sailing out of Dover as its one of the most beautiful ports to sale in and out of as there is no better view of the White Cliffs of Dover.

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                        razorbackfan Alumni Steward Platinum 23 Reviews
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                        Thank you, Gem, for the detailed information.  I wondered if an inside cabin would be acceptable or not.  When we went to Alaska, we originally had an ocean view, then upgraded to a balcony.  We didn't spend much time on the balcony, but I did like having natural light.

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                        • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
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                          Depends how much you want to spend.

                           

                          NCL balconies are quite reasonable.

                           

                          Holland costs much more as they have very few balcony cabins.  Also, Holland provides some of its suite services to balcony cabin customers, probably another reason their pricing is so high.

                           

                          3 of the 4 ships are older ships, cause the ports are smaller, and they need to fit under the bridge between copenhagen and sweden, so the HAL Ryndam, Celebrity Constellation and NCL Star are some of the older smaller ships in the fleet, but I think they have been rennovated.  If this is important to you we can compare the ships.  I suggested we look at size in tons, #passengers, #crew, year built, last year refurbished.

                           

                          HAL Rotterdam is newer, larger. This probably why its sailing from Rotterdam

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                • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
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                  I went on Holland America and really like it.

                   

                  Last summer they had some great deals of back to backs with the Norweijan Fjords, so while I was only on for the Fjords, having previously done St. Pete, I would have stayed on for the extra 2 week, had I been able to be out of the office that long.

                   

                  I have also cruised with NCL and Celebrity and like both the lines, so would be willing to travel with them.

                   

                  Things to consider when selecitng a cruise

                  • prot they are sailing out of
                  • how much the airfare will cost you
                  • pre cruise hotel
                  • how far from the pre cruise hotel to the ship, and how you will get there.
                  • difference in the cruise line formats, e.g. set dining versus dine anytime, formal v. informal requirements, age of the fellow passengers, etc.
                  • pricing - NCl & RCl are the least expensive, Celebrity/HAL/Princess are midrange, Silver Sea/Crystal are most expensive.
                  • Size of the ships - larger the ship, less you feel the motion of the sea, but the more people to contend with
                  • passenger to crew ratios if you like lots of service

                   

                  For the HAL cruise, it sailed from Copenhagen which I enjoyed having some extra tme there, but it there were less choices in flites and they cost alot more.  Also Copenhage is an expensive sity.  For the Norweigan Fjords I had a choice between Dover, England or Rotterdam Netherlands, and flites to Heathrow were < $1K while Netherlands was ~$1.5K.  Getting to the port of dover takes some time though.  You can pay the cruiseline, ~$200/pp or take the underground for 5 GPB (1 hr) to St. Pancras and then the high speed train to Dover for for ~20 GBP (2 hr), which I would not do the day of, so you need a hotel.  The only Marriott on my route was the St. Pancras, which is a pricey hotel without points.  Some of my fellow cruise passeengers used the Holiday Inn at the port of Dover which is very reasonable.

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                  • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
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                    Princess cruises just dropped prices on the cruise that we are going on which is in June--Baltic-Northern Europe cruise. We depart from Copenhagen but the Marriott there was full so we are booked at the Renaissance Malmo, Sweeden. Has anyone been there and do you have suggestions on where to go and what to see? We have 2 days before the cruise to tour around. Also, we hear that the taxi is expensive from the Copenhagen airport to the Malmo Renaissance. The web site says that it is an easy train ride from the airport to the hotel. Has anyone done this? We don't arrive until 10 15pm in Copenhagen. does the train run all night and how often? Thanks for any help you can offer.

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                    • Re: St. Petersburg, Russia Trip in July/August 2013
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                      I have not personally done this as I stayed at the Marriott in Copenhagen when I cruised out of there with HAL.

                       

                      I can always check with my Swedish partner if you do not get a response from other insiders.  When there are weather or traffic problems, I know they often take flites from the US to anywhere in northern Euorpe and then drive or train back to Sweden, so I can see how much time they usually give themselves.

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