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89 Replies Latest reply: Jun 19, 2012 11:48 AM by NathalieF RSS

Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!

gloabtrotter Platinum
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When I went to marriott.com today, I saw a banner advertising a contest/competition for a prize of a stay at Scrub Island Resort.  I clicked on the link to enter the content and to my absolute disgust and disappointment, the competition was being hosted on facebook, so you had to have a facebook account to partake in the contest.  Please recognise that not everyone has or wants a facebook account.  I have absolutely no interest in facebook - couldnt care less about it in fact!  By hosting this contest on facebook, Marriott is denying us non-facebookers the opportunity to take part in this competition.  So please... do not host such contests on facebook in future!  Thank you.

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  • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
    nanaglo45 Gold 3 Reviews
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    I feel the same way!!

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  • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
    painedplatinum Platinum 2 Reviews
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    I don't visit facebook often, just joined a little over a year ago. That being said, I've found it to have a place for certain types of communication. My grown kids use it ALL the time, yikes. If I was a business looking to spend advertising dollars, facebook would have to be a consideration. Whether any of us like facebook or not, the social media world is here to stay.

     

    Facebook has 900 Million users? or something like that... it would be irresponsible, in today's  retail environment, to NOT attempt to glean business from this group. I'm okay with Marriott doing so. I wonder if there was a way for you to enter the contest without being a facebook member? Maybe give the support desk a call. They may be able to sign you up.

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    • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
      kroywen Gold 11 Reviews
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      I agree completely.     In many cases not only do you have to have a facebook acct but you have to "like" the promoting site to enter.

      To see what happens once you "like" something check out this article from Friday's NY Times:

       

      Daily Report: What's Behind Facebook's 'Sponsored Stories' - NYTimes.com

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    • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
      nanaglo45 Gold 3 Reviews
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      It's fine for Marriott and other companies to offer contests on Facebook (it is good business sense),  but it would be more acceptable if they would additionally offer them without having to sign in or sign up with Facebook. Especially Marriott where we have this forum in which to participate. I have noticed that when I have gone to Facebook to attempt to enter a contest, I have to agree to accept an 'app' applicable to that particular company in order to enter (American Airlines is one I can readily think of.) I don't mean an app for my mobile phone, but actually when trying to enter via my computer. I find this not comfortably acceptable to me. But, heck, I wasn't going to win anyway.....

      (For each location tag, you will be guided through a 3-step process to add (1) a city and a state or a city and a country, (2) a Marriott brand, and (3) a Marriott hotel.)

    • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
      gloabtrotter Platinum
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      I certainly agree that businesses would be irresponsible not to take advantage of the huge marketing/advertising opportunities and access to potential customers by using facebook, but by hosting their promos only on facebook, they are alienating other customers.  I think the marketing term is customer cannibalisation?  The ultimate question is:  if my platinum patronage of Marriott worth their providing an alternative means of allowing someone like myself to partake in such promos, or are they saying to me that I am one single customer, and despite me being Platinum, I just don't matter compared to the 900 million potential customers they could get from Facebook?  (fair dues if they do, I just know when my custom is not appreciated:)

       

      With regards to contacting the support desk... they work bankers' hours Monday through Friday, (which I just don't comprehend in the case of a consumer business that caters to the 24/7 travel business).  I posted this outside bankers hours as that is when I came across this promo.  I clicked on the 'Ask Customer Support' link which brought me to this discussion page.  Is this not monitored by Marriott's banker-wanna-be's?:)

      (For each location tag, you will be guided through a 3-step process to add (1) a city and a state or a city and a country, (2) a Marriott brand, and (3) a Marriott hotel.)

      • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
        painedplatinum Platinum 2 Reviews
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        That's some funny stuff inside a few good question, gloabtrotter!!  There is a Community Manager and the occasional Marriott employee that check out this site. For the most part, it's just folks like you and me...Marriott Rewards members helping each other with travel tips, issues, and events. I'll try to tag MichelleL from Marriott. She's the big cheese behind the Rewards program. She may respond, but the best idea would still be to give those banking keeping hours guys a call.  I'm all for having a way, along with facebook, to enter any and all sweepstakes.

         

         

         

         

        michellel2

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  • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
    tef6178 Platinum 8 Reviews
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    There is some reason why Marriott ran this promotion through Facebook. My guess would be that the sheer numbers of people on Facebook create quite a following when a company 'hooks' them in. I got notice of this promotion through an e-mail as I recall and when I saw it required a 'Facebook' action, I nixed it. I agree that there should be other ways to enter promos and those 'other' ways should be available to those who don't want to do the Facebook thing. I do have a Facebook account but the only time I use it is when I get an e-mail that someone wants to 'Friend' me. If I know them, I'll sign in...and accept....and then sign out. I spend (and spent) enough time in my years on this planet being bombarded by calls and folks trying to get me to 'buy into' some gimmick or item or promo or make a donation. I have every phone signed up for the 'do not call' list that is 'supposed' to get that stuff stopped. My point....I don't want the bombardment again that will come from 'liking' something on Facebook.

     

    Oh yeah....and those calls that still bombard me at dinnertime or bedtime......I got tired of telling them I'm on the 'do not call' list that doesn't work. So, when they ask for me, I just say...'wait a minute'......and put the phone down. They've usually hung up when I pick it up again half an hour later.

     

    Hope they had a nice night.......

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    • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
      painedplatinum Platinum 2 Reviews
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      Tef,

      There was a skit on the Seinfeld show a few years back that went something like this... A solicitation call came to Jerry's phone. He asked the caller for their name and home phone number, of course the person on the other line didn't want to give out that information. Jerry asked if that was because they didn't want a strange person to call them at home? Right... Then he said, "So now you know how I feel"

       

      By the way...we signed up for the "do not call list" when it was first available. It worked like a charm. That is until about 6 months ago...all of a sudden, we're getting quite a few calls again.

      (For each location tag, you will be guided through a 3-step process to add (1) a city and a state or a city and a country, (2) a Marriott brand, and (3) a Marriott hotel.)

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        tef6178 Platinum 8 Reviews
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        pained:

         

        I remember that skit! I agree about the ramping up again of calls even when on the list. It aggravates me no end. Countless calls. I get at least one a day even though I am on the list. Doesn't matter to those folks, so I don't have a problem just letting them hang when I put the phone down. Just really, really tired of it.

        (For each location tag, you will be guided through a 3-step process to add (1) a city and a state or a city and a country, (2) a Marriott brand, and (3) a Marriott hotel.)

  • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
    Marriott Associate Member
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    Greetings, All!  You're right - 1 in 9 people on this planet participate in Facebook, so marketers need to establish a presence there - whether we like it or not.  Social channels behave differently than traditional marketing/communication channels, and brands that want to participate effectively in social need to activate the channel using appropriate methods.  On Facebook, sweepstakes are a common practice - and we will continue to sponsor them using that platform.

     

    From a marketers perspective, we cannot see or use any profile information and the only way we can leverage it is by purchasing ads, or 'sponsored stories,' from Facebook.  To direct the ads, or target them to those with a certain propensity, we select attributes from a pick list.  So individual identity remains unknown to us.

     

    We offer members opportunities to self-identify using their social ID, and if they do, we securely store the data along with the member profile.  NEVER do we share or sell our member information.  Never ever.

     

    If you have other questions relative to how social channels work - and why an organization might want to develop a presence - I'm happy to share my perspective.

     

    Hope you're on the sunny side of the street this fine Sunday!

     

    michellel

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  • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
    Marriott Associate Member
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    Gloabtrotter - would you say that those who opt out of email communications are being denied offers that are communicated via that channel?  No - you would say that the person has chosen to not receive emails and willingly forgoes the content that would be represented there.  Same thing when you get a direct mail piece at home and choose to put it into the recycle pile instead of opening it, when you flip through a magazine and tear out the annoying inserts or when you search on the internet and skip over the banner ad offers.  Bottom line, how a consumer (in our case, members) wishes to interact with a brand (our loyalty program) is controlled by the consumer (member) and has nothing to do with alienation or isolation.

    (For each location tag, you will be guided through a 3-step process to add (1) a city and a state or a city and a country, (2) a Marriott brand, and (3) a Marriott hotel.)

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      tryt53 Alumni Steward Platinum 5 Reviews
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      Michellel,

      I have to agree with you on this one, although it may not be popular with everyone else's opinion.  Technology continues to move forward, and we can choose to figure out to embrace and be part of it, or we get eventually left behind.  It wasn't that many years ago that the Internet, email, and smart phones, and the like, were considered scary and many people stayed away from them as long as they could.  We who are here, obviously got past that, but some older people never did.  I personally, will try as long as I am able to keep learning the new technologies to stay a part of the present and future, until I don't have the ability to keep up. 

      (For each location tag, you will be guided through a 3-step process to add (1) a city and a state or a city and a country, (2) a Marriott brand, and (3) a Marriott hotel.)

    • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
      gloabtrotter Platinum
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      I disagree entirely!  To use your two examples, (1) if I opt out of getting email, then yes I am choosing not to receive that info.  (2) when I throw junk mail out, I am also choosing to ignore the marketing messages.  What you are doing by ONLY running your promos on Facebook is that you are not giving me an opportunity to say I do not want to participate (as would be the case if I opted out of email or threw out junk mail).  You are excluding me because I am not a facebooker. 

       

      Your statement that how a member chooses to interact with a brand is controlled by them is also false.  I am not choosing to interact with your brand because you are not giving me that choice by ONLY running your promo on facebook!

       

      You clearly DO NOT 'get it'!

       

      Your comment that 'We will announce whatever sweeps we run here on Insiders, but you would still have to get on to Facebook to fulfill the requirement to 'like' the page'  is rather arrogant.  You are basically telling people like me that I either need to fulfill YOUR requirement to 'like' you on Facebook or just go away.  The purpose of my starting this thread was to give you feedback, and you are effectively rejecting my feedback by not accepting it.  GREAT customer service skill to ignore customer feedback!!!!!

       

      I dont know what business or marketing school you went to, but the fact is when you choose a medium that 1 our of 9 people on the planet are on, you are missing 8 out of the 9!  Good luck with your 1 out of 9 people!  You're going to lose the other 8!

      (For each location tag, you will be guided through a 3-step process to add (1) a city and a state or a city and a country, (2) a Marriott brand, and (3) a Marriott hotel.)

  • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
    Marriott Associate Member
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    Two marketing principles to consider:  engagement and channel activation.  Examples...

     

    Let's say, when you were a kid, you ate cereal and noticed the offer on the back of the box.  If you collected several box tops, you could send them in and get a very cool decoder ring.  Well, you wanted that ring, so you started plowing through that cereal and convinced your mom to buy you more.  While collecting those box tops were annoying (especially to your mom who was probably having to organize several piles for several children and several cereal types not to mention the slimy S&H Green Stamps, but I digress...), you tolerated the inconvenience in order to get the ring.  Now, you could have said - "hey, I buy the cereal anyway so why should I have to take the extra step to collect these box tops?".  Well, the cereal manufacturers knew that if you were engaged with the cereal beyond buying and eating, you would probably buy more cereal.  And they were right.  Marketing research shows that the more engaged a customer is with a brand, the more they'll buy.  Makes sense.  The annoying thing we're asking for is a Facebook 'like'.  In social, it's the equivalent of collecting box tops.

     

    As Facebook is a new marketing channel with over 9 billion pairs of eyeballs, we want to establish a very strong and valuable presence.  Because we want some of those 9 billion pairs of eyeballs to glance our way, we're giving them a reason to do so. This is channel activation.  In many ways, Facebook is a closed environment, meaning the activity on Facebook does not impact search results (the holy grail of digital marketing, according to the Book of Google), so a marketer has to play by FB rules.  A brand has to positively impact the internal relevance and recency requirements in order to show up when FBers look for us (their algorithm is called Edgerank)...blah, blah, blah - it gets pretty geeky from here on out.  Bottom line - the more "likes", "shares" and "comments" a page can drive, the better the probability that their content will show up on their fans 'wall' and also to be located whenever an internal FB search is conducted.  For those of you on FB - you've noticed that posts may not show up on your wall even if you have "liked" a brand page - that's Edgerank at work.  It's not enough that you have liked it - the content has to be compelling to a wide-enough audience to 'earn' the right to get served up.

     

    So, the objective of a sweepstakes or contest isn't just to give stuff away, it's meant to engage and activate; in the case of Facebook, we want to increase the fan base (thus giving us more people to have a conversation with) and build awareness of our product (program, brands, benefits, etc).  Offering it simultaneously on m.com or any other marketing channel would defeat the purpose.

     

    Sorry if this got creepy, just giving you a peek of the marketing landscape in today's social environment.

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  • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
    NathalieF Community Manager Marriott Associate
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    Geetings gloabtrotter, thanks for that feedback... basically, who doesn't like a good sweepstakes. Specifically within Insiders, we've been establishing ways to recognize individual members for their insightful and meaningful contributions. These include an Insider of the Month program, annual Roady Awards, and community Stewards, making the community a trusted resourceful for members. We'll keep you posted on future promotions , safe travels!

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    • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
      goestoeleven Gold
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      Makes total sense to me, a targeted marketing campaign to a specific channel (but ain't no way I'm joining facebook <I've seen how much time my wife and daughters waste>).  Your F-book customer profile is likely "vast and shallow" compared to your insider profile of "narrow but deep".  This requires two different approaches to attraction and retention.

       

      My $.02,  11

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      • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
        GemPrincess Alumni Steward Platinum 17 Reviews
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        I don't think they need to make a choice.  Its easy enough to link the various social medias.  I usually do my posts in LinkedIN where most of professional contacts are.  When I post, I can check a box to push to Facebook, where I have only social contacts, or those in industries that use only FB, like entertainment and poliitics, and yet another button to push to twitter which are the people who only want to talk at you.  I suspect that the Marriott informatics team could create a link that allows them to push announcements to these 3 media and Marriott Insiders.

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      • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
        gloabtrotter Platinum
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        Well said goestoeleven!  Let's see how well Marriott does by catering to the shallow at the expense of the deep!:)

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  • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
    Marriott Associate Member
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    Totally understand your frustration - not rejecting your feedback at all, but we just can't restrict our use of marketing channels because there are members who don't participate in them.  Here are other travel companies that use social media:  Travel + Leisure’s 1st Annual SMITTY Awards Showcase Social Media Innovators

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  • Re: Please refrain from holding contests on facebook - not everyone has or wants a facebook account!
    NathalieF Community Manager Marriott Associate
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    Greetings Insiders - you're point isn't lost - we'll investigate opportunities for dual sweepstakes although many will in all likelihood continue to be Facebook specific. For anyone interested, we'll continue to inform you of these promotions and we'll have details on a few Insiders specific contests as well (be sure to "follow" the Community Manager's blog). We've already teased our inaugural Roady Awards coming at the end of the year and we'll soon have details on a summer photo contest so Insiders will have plenty of exclusive opportunities to earn Marriott Rewards points and fun prizes!

    (For each location tag, you will be guided through a 3-step process to add (1) a city and a state or a city and a country, (2) a Marriott brand, and (3) a Marriott hotel.)